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this hope radio for the masses headline

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the buffoon variety might be a felony

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the Army Air Force has announced are

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applying there - found under now in the

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possession of the otter the game is

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rigged change the game game changer I

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occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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this way

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two black with your host Jimmy church on

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the game changer radio network kgr a the

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I need your help to get to the year

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you are listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy judge on the game-changing network

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good evening fade to black

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masses

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how you doing how you doing today is

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Wednesday September 20th 2019

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324 days into the new year just 41 days

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left we are live from a bunker somewhere

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in the middle of beautiful downtown

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Burbank California and I would like to

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welcome everybody listening all around

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the world all across the United States

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hither and thither to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far mirror fit that this is

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fade to black for KJ CR the game changer

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I'm arrows Jimmy Church what is cracking

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everybody how you doing how you doing

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hey tonight tonight is night three night

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three of our open lines week here on

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four straight nights of your calls and

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questions with some of the best and

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brightest of our community tonight

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Whitley Strieber is here he's got a new

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book out too as well it's called a new

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world so tonight your call to your

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conversation with Whitley Strieber

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tomorrow night right here Richard Dolan

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incredible four straight night so we

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have Billy Carson Travis Walton Whitley

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Strieber tonight Richard Dolan tomorrow

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what an incredible week you know if I

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was if I was a listener and I am but if

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I was a listener and this was the kind

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of programming I had coming in oh man oh

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yeah right pretty incredible the the the

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bonus is I am a listener but I'm also

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the host

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it's my gig man tonight is night three

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of our open lines week here on fade to

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black four straight nights of your calls

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and conversation with some of the best

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and brightest minds of our community

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tonight it's whitley strieber

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Whitley of course is the offer of

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communion and his new book released this

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week is called a new world now as

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science advances we are finding that the

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universe is far larger and more complex

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than we ever imagined and mysterious

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beings like our visitors which we

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dismissed as imagery are turning out to

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be real this is calling to all of us to

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find a new life a new world in which

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they play a part now all of this and

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much more is discussed in a new world

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and tonight you'll get to ask Whitley

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about our future and contact that will

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shatter all of our previous theories and

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beliefs and reveal the experience for

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what it is the strangest most powerful

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and potentially most important thing

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that has ever happened to mankind and I

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would like to welcome back to fade to

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evening young man how you doing well I'm

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doing pretty good um thank you thank you

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for having me back well how good is

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pretty good Whitley pretty good is um

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let's see I have dinner right might be

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coming down with a cold

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that's pretty good that's pretty good

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yeah you know what I haven't I haven't

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gotten a cold in five years neither have

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grandson except for one year and last

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time I was were roughhousing was him and

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pretending to be a grizzly bear he had a

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cold yeah you're asking for it hey oh

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yeah but I was no way I'm not gonna play

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grizzly bear with my when your old

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grandson yes I'm glad I'm over no cold

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I'll get over it I'm so jealous and we

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were talking about that the last time we

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were hanging out you know grandkids and

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read and I haven't experienced that yet

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it's a field trip man and I go grandkids

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are not that mean they're just they're

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you know they're they're not your real

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kids but yeah they are oh yeah they are

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a big deal yeah that takes being a

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parent to the next level

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I mean seriously being a parent is great

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beauty of it is when he poops you just

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man yeah I would be the best babysitter

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in the world you know it doesn't got it

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you've got a written all over you Jimmy

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you're made to be a grandparent you're

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gonna also be an incredible sucker like

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I am yeah all three kids know that they

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can basically get anything out of me

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that they can get away with yeah yeah

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the same things you know my grandparents

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I milked it man yeah just my older

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grandson on Saturdays mother says to him

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absolutely you can go out to lunch with

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Gaga absolutely no pizza as we go out

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first down or another we end up at the

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pizza place I know you got pizza because

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you have pizza on your face but I don't

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know how you got I mean it's the first

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stop at that point

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I mean right so there you go yeah I'm

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looking forward to it and when I'm

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around kids it's it's there's something

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you know this is this is really the

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truth and you definitely show this but

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youth is is all in the mind

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you know getting old is is all in the

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in that and when you're around kids or

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puppies I think you around kids it

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allows you to Vic area Slee you know

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live that life again and look at them

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and remind yourself you know what it's

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like to to be a kid and I just realized

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I just refused to grow up you know I do

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I wear feet I realize you know I'm 56

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but I'm fighting it man I'm fighting it

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I I'm not 56 I just refuse to to

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capitulate I'm just not gonna do it well

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I'm 74 and I have not the slightest

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intention of growing up why should I

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grow up that's what I'm saying still

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swim I've got a replace knee someone out

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and bout again

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big-time I feel great

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and and that you know I look at you know

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thinking talking about age is just a

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number I know there's no way that it

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that anybody would know that you're 74

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that's a crazy number you probably I

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know you never thought I'm always

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through these people I'm 72 years old

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and bla bla and I think once I was in

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that grocery store some guys old guy is

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creeping along and he says how old are

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you young man we were talking and I said

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well how old are you since I'm 71 and I

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said hmm I'm 63 I know man

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I know it's all of the mind and and you

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represent that like like no other let's

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uh let's get straight to it we're gonna

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be taking calls tonight and we're gonna

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mix in another great conversation and

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also hear from our audience and that's

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going to be great and I'm looking

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forward to it but I do want to talk

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about a new world and the obvious

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question that for for you to start off

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with is why why this book now I mean

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what is our the the contact and the

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communication that you have today has it

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increased is there a reason for this

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type of book now well first as soon as

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Annie passed away not within weeks it

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increased tremendously and it had a lot

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to do with her this is this is this is

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not only if it is an alien thing at all

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our dead are involved the soul is real

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and they are here period that is my life

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experience and I trust it because it's

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impossible for me to deny at this point

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now it's two timing about two years ago

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they started just going berserk about

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getting this booked on because we don't

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know how to communicate with them and I

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you know I had never really put it

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together myself

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but they Illustrated to me very

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forcefully what the problem is that if

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they came out they would not we would

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not be able we'd start trying to talk to

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him and we it would just it would be a

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mess but they're there but and they're

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there are reasons for that that are go

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run really really deep that are about

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the whole core nature of how reality

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works and how Minds work and the book is

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about my experiences of getting past the

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blocks to communication we're not going

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to be able to sit down across the table

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and talk to them it isn't gonna work

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even if there are it is possible for

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words to be said we're not going to ever

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be able to know whether or not we mean

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the same things even if we're saying

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like my first close encounter they had a

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machine that was saying in a very soft

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female voice what can we do to help you

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stop screaming now if you think about

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that there's a lot wrong with that that

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attempt the female voice and the

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softness and calmness that's that's okay

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but the asking the question what can we

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do to help you stop screaming when I am

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in a room full of giant bugs butt-naked

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mm-hm and being just essentially

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attacked in all kinds of bizarre ways

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the answer to that question was nothing

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and therefore the asking of the question

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was pointless there if they were gonna

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use and they could not speak they don't

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speak therefore this is what they had

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and it just kept repeating and repeating

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and repeating and that's a that's a in a

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in a in a very small scale that is that

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would happen on a massive scale if they

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showed up because it is not easy to

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be with them it is very demanding it is

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very challenging and as I point out in

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the book at times it can be dangerous

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it's hard but the rewards are tremendous

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my life with them has become so rich

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they are the most valuable thing I have

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ever known I could have in my life in

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terms of intellectual and spiritual

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growth and emotional experience it's

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really something really something

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incredible to have them in my life now

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the way that as long as I don't get

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eaten we'll see that's the point of this

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question the the element of fear that

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has to be there for anybody going

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through this including yourself is

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something that is not intentional on

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their part but how can it not be

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something and how do you avoid that how

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do you get away because now you're fine

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right you just said it's the most

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beautiful friendship and contact that

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that's you know yeah but ever had and

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they they they can show up in ways that

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I'm not fine believe me there can be

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situations where I am I'm scared and not

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set you I don't think there's this would

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be a situation where I'm gonna run

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screaming anymore or fight unless I am

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attacked but I am going to experience

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fear of course and it's not it's not

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normal fear it's not the kind of fear

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you would have if you were at the most

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base with a bear yeah right right right

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it's different it's a more like you know

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Jeff Crapo my co-author of supernatural

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is mentioned in the book and he had a he

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had the experience of sleeping in the

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same room with me at one point which is

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interesting for people

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you know their ever everyone thinks so

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yes this happens to Whitley but it's not

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gonna happen to me the thing is it often

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too happens to Whitley and when

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someone's around it's gonna happen to

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them too and it happened that night and

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Jeff had his experience of it was

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different from mine he heard this

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tremendous crashing sound like the whole

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world was crashing down around him

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symbolic of how it felt in his in his

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mind and heart to suddenly realize that

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this world that he has lived in all of

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his life is not the whole world and

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maybe not even real that was the first

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part and then he hears a voice his own

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voice but from somewhere within his body

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saying oh my god and this is when the

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moment when the ego which is part of our

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minds and part of our brains faces the

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possibility of something of a danger

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that is greater than death and that is

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the real fear and until we can

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understand that that fear simply emerges

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automatically because of the nature of

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the relationship and isn't necessarily

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related to anything we have a trouble

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with honor trouble handling it but I've

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had that fear many many times in my life

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and I'm still sitting here it doesn't go

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anywhere it's just it's just nature

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saying hey this is really really weird

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and I'm really worried about it now I

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science as as closely as my gray matter

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can I'm not a physicist but I follow

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science and I stay up on it and modern

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physicists and theoretical physicists

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and cosmologists and string theorists

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they are looking very closely now and

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speak a lot about the multiverse and not

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only the multiverse but an infinite

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verse right

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and you say in a new world that there's

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evidence of a mirror universe i would

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always point to when you say evidence

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that's one thing when i speak about it

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i immediately go back to science and

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different physicists in the way that

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they speak about it today and because

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the math says that this is the only way

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to explain a lot of things that there is

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a multiverse out there what evidence are

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you talking about well basically what

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happened is this I went up to the Pine

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Ridge Reservation look Lakota Sioux

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Reservation in South Dakota for a UFO

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conference very small only 20 people or

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so and while I was there I ended up

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living in two different universes at the

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same time I had a taste of this back in

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2007 when which I mentioned in the book

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but what happened there was when I

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closed my eyes I could see very clearly

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another version of the same world we

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were in like when we would be driving

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down a highway a road or a graded

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highway straight road across the fields

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in the other world the road was not

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graded it followed the contours of the

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land and so the result was when I had my

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eyes closed I understand it when my eyes

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are closed it was like a virtual reality

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headset it was that intense and the road

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in the other world that we were more or

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less following curved off and went down

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a hill but we went straight because we

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were on a graded Road it felt exactly

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like the car had taken flight when with

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my eyes closed I looked up at the

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ceiling of the car I saw the sky and the

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clouds and it was absolutely amazing

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another lady in the car there were at

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this HAP this went on all weekend and

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one other lady who was in the car was

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was having the same experience for a

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couple of hours but it it went on with

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me all weekend all weekend and you know

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I was so unbelievably detailed I could

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literally bend down on a roadside or

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anywhere I was and look at the rocks and

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stones and flowers and in great detail

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and then I opened my eyes and they were

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the same but different and in the book I

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go into why that may have been an

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experience of a mirror universe and why

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there is solid science to support that

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possibility it was really the most

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extraordinary experience of my life and

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I kept to tell you I've had a lot of

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extraordinary experiences in this life

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I've been blessed with that but this was

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beyond anything was that I have was it

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the liberation was it the location or

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was it just extraordinary

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was it the location were there plant

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medicines involved Willie I'm not sure

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I'm following plant medicines you know

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Indians know you mean drugs yeah no

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obviously not I don't do drugs I listen

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a guy like me why would I bother with

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drugs now you're already there and

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you're asking me that after you're in

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fact that's the first thing that came

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into your mind right and he maybe it was

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drugs but I have to tell you that there

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is no it I have no reason to and and one

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of one of the reasons why I have to ask

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a question like that is with different

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research into plant based medicines

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today and specifically like ayahuasca or

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DMT or peyote but ayahuasca specifically

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is the very consistent

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reports of those that go through the

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ceremony absolutely are in a parallel

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situation but I was in both places at

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the same time when I opened my eyes I

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wasn't in the parallel universe right

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as I understand ayahuasca you're in it

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until the drug wears off

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that's right that's right well this was

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no there was nothing like that I was in

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it if I wanted to be and not in it if I

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didn't now so the first part of the

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question was do you think it was the

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location yes I think it had a lot to do

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with the location because it's faded as

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soon as I went off the reservation hmm

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as soon as I got about actually about 20

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miles south of the reservation it was

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gone

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ditch and did you ask anybody there on

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the reservation yeah sure I talked a lot

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of people about it and no one had ever

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experienced it who I talked to and the

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only people who did experience it were

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people who were in the car with me and

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in fact in one case this is so fantastic

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we were at the Wounded Knee memorial

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where there is a graveyard for people

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who were either either descendants of

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Wounded Knee people who were at Wounded

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Knee or were actually killed at the

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Wounded Knee in the 1890

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in the 1890s excuse me and this one guy

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kept walking up to me and standing

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beside me I was looking down at the

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graves and and they would walk away and

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come back again and here's why why he

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was doing it when he stood near me he

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could see down into the graves and see

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the bones hmm but I couldn't now I mean

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that's sort of high strangeness by proxy

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it's really cool I've been so incredible

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I love stuff like that now is have you

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okay now you're off the reservation I

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just said I'm off the reservation for

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years and your listeners if they don't

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want off the reservation they need to go

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have supper yes they are off the

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reservation when I am

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on the show so now that you're off the

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reservation have you been able to access

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this universe again nope

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I have not maybe a little bit once but

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not like that that was that was an

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absolutely premiere experience of my

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life

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I could see rivers flowing clouds I I

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didn't see an interestingly enough I

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never saw people I would see these

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little bright flashes in the distance

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from time to time but I didn't see

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people and I think that there was

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something preventing that from happening

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there was a lot of ultra high

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strangeness associated with it that I

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that I wrote about as well I mean it it

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was he it just was marvelous it was an

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absolutely you know you just don't have

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experiences like that and okay okay I'm

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letting my imagination go wishing I was

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there are you saying that I want to get

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this in before the break are you saying

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that it was it was the same location

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right it was it was it was different but

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I mean you could tell that there were

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elements yeah it was very clearly you

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know if I was passing over a river in

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her stream rather in this world in that

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world it was bigger it was a big river

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right right right I mean it was there

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it's all like that even the trees were

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different but they were in the same

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places if you know what I mean I do it

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happened to me on Sunset Boulevard in

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1985 but that's a whole nother story I

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will say this in Pasadena I'm going to

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give this as quickly as I can

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in my neighborhood where I lived for

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years right I Drive across the street to

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take a shortcut through this

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neighborhood directly across the street

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that had trees you know for you know

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maybe five

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or six square block area and I wanted to

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jet out on the other side okay I got

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lost I got lost in my own neighborhood

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and I couldn't make it out to the edge

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of the trees I and and I ended up I

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almost ran out of gas I spent the

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afternoon in like a four or five block

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square area I panicked I was

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hyperventilating I'm looking at my gas

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gauge run down finally somehow I make it

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to the hedge and pop out I get I go I

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didn't even go where I was going I went

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back home walked in panicked and

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everybody was like man are you okay

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I didn't even want to tell anybody which

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just happened you know point across the

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street I got lost in there and this was

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in Pasadena this wasn't out in you know

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Big Bear this was in Pasadena it's

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impossible to do what I did and I don't

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know I lost in Pasadena sounds like a

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possibility to me and and so the thing

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is I look back and see back then I

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didn't understand the the things that I

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do today right I chopped it up to just I

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forgot how to make a left hand turn I

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don't know I don't know but but

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something else happened and something

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kept me in there and I died I really

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whitley I still can't explain it and

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it's a difficult story for me to tell

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people because it just absolutely

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doesn't make any sense

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why didn't you just stay on one road you

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know and and just learn to do that I

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mean they like they get these people say

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well why don't you have paranormal

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investigators hide behind your house and

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see the shifting catch the visitors

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coming and going and I think to myself

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you know I've been doing this for over

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30 years trying to catch the visitors

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coming and going I have had a lot more

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than paranormal investigators I can

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so you know I just you know people have

542
00:28:42,810 --> 00:28:39,730
to understand high strangeness is not

543
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:42,820
passive this stuff is alive right if it

544
00:28:48,420 --> 00:28:45,130
wants to be seen it's gonna be seen and

545
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:48,430
that's the main thing my book is

546
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:51,490
actually about is creating a situation

547
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:54,010
where it does want to be seen they do

548
00:28:57,900 --> 00:28:56,320
want to be seen because they know that

549
00:29:01,500 --> 00:28:57,910
they can be community they can

550
00:29:04,530 --> 00:29:01,510
communicate and well they're only gonna

551
00:29:07,620 --> 00:29:04,540
take it so far though right the the the

552
00:29:13,410 --> 00:29:07,630
reveal they have no idea how far they

553
00:29:16,020 --> 00:29:13,420
might take it no idea really I would my

554
00:29:18,930 --> 00:29:16,030
sense of it is that initially it will be

555
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:18,940
more more like what mostly happens to me

556
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:22,000
which is non-physical and very subtle

557
00:29:27,930 --> 00:29:24,610
and you know not so subtle that you

558
00:29:30,930 --> 00:29:27,940
don't know it's definitely there but not

559
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:30,940
like sitting across from you in a in a

560
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:33,010
room or anything like that

561
00:29:37,950 --> 00:29:35,650
yeah or perhaps not abducting you and

562
00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:37,960
flipping you out into outer space or

563
00:29:42,330 --> 00:29:39,310
something and then leaving you hanging

564
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:42,340
well and the other part is and we got to

565
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:43,360
take a break right here but the other

566
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:46,510
part is they know when I say not you

567
00:29:50,550 --> 00:29:48,610
know how far to take it sitting down

568
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:50,560
with a couple of cameras doing a

569
00:29:54,780 --> 00:29:52,210
multi-camera shoot and a sit-down

570
00:29:57,780 --> 00:29:54,790
interview like with Mike Wallace that

571
00:30:00,570 --> 00:29:57,790
ain't gonna happen no I don't think so

572
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:00,580
I don't think so I I'm not sure that

573
00:30:07,010 --> 00:30:05,530
it's impossible but I'm also fairly sure

574
00:30:09,180 --> 00:30:07,020
that it's not gonna happen that way

575
00:30:11,460 --> 00:30:09,190
let's take our break right here our

576
00:30:14,010 --> 00:30:11,470
guest tonight Whitley Strieber night

577
00:30:15,870 --> 00:30:14,020
three of our open lines week right here

578
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:15,880
on fade to black his new book is called

579
00:30:20,250 --> 00:30:18,370
a new world the links for unknown

580
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:20,260
country are right there to maturity to

581
00:30:25,020 --> 00:30:23,440
calm click head over register over to

582
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:25,030
unknown country and of course you can

583
00:30:28,590 --> 00:30:26,770
check out the new book too as well a new

584
00:30:30,780 --> 00:30:28,600
world that's right they're gonna take a

585
00:30:32,910 --> 00:30:30,790
short break open up the phone lines and

586
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:32,920
continue the conversation when we come

587
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:34,720
back right up for the short break stay

588
00:30:50,930 --> 00:30:35,530
with us

589
00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:55,159
[Music]

590
00:30:59,789 --> 00:30:58,210
all right welcome back fade to black I'm

591
00:31:03,119 --> 00:30:59,799
your host Jimmy Church you can follow me

592
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:03,129
on Twitter at Jay Church radio hashtag

593
00:31:07,139 --> 00:31:05,289
f2 B is the sandbox over on Twitter you

594
00:31:08,849 --> 00:31:07,149
can come hang out with us over there any

595
00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:08,859
questions or comments tonight or any

596
00:31:13,139 --> 00:31:09,519
other night

597
00:31:14,849 --> 00:31:13,149
hashtag f2b q tonight is night 3 of our

598
00:31:16,589 --> 00:31:14,859
open lines week here on fade to black

599
00:31:18,810 --> 00:31:16,599
and tonight it's Whitley Strieber

600
00:31:21,869 --> 00:31:18,820
tomorrow night Richard Dolan joins us

601
00:31:23,969 --> 00:31:21,879
and Whitley's new book is called a new

602
00:31:26,940 --> 00:31:23,979
world and his website of course is

603
00:31:29,310 --> 00:31:26,950
unknown country calm and the link for

604
00:31:31,379 --> 00:31:29,320
unknown country is over at 2 meter radio

605
00:31:33,539 --> 00:31:31,389
calm and you can check out a new world

606
00:31:35,969 --> 00:31:33,549
when you go and visit unknown country

607
00:31:38,879 --> 00:31:35,979
and let's get straight to it Whitley you

608
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:38,889
ready to take some calls yeah let's do

609
00:31:44,489 --> 00:31:41,710
this let's see who's up first how your

610
00:31:47,099 --> 00:31:44,499
live on fade to black who's calling hey

611
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:47,109
this is Bob thank you for this Jimmy and

612
00:31:53,729 --> 00:31:48,960
Whitney it's great to talk to you

613
00:31:58,969 --> 00:31:53,739
Whitley I read for day the day after

614
00:32:02,039 --> 00:31:58,979
tomorrow majestic and back in those days

615
00:32:05,129 --> 00:32:02,049
wolf and the hunger bank of those days

616
00:32:08,849 --> 00:32:05,139
you scared the crap out of me so war day

617
00:32:12,269 --> 00:32:08,859
I had nightmares for months and I had a

618
00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:12,279
friend I had a friend who came over and

619
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:15,129
saw the cover of communion and freaked

620
00:32:20,969 --> 00:32:17,440
out and told me about their abduction

621
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:20,979
experiences so look just because all of

622
00:32:24,419 --> 00:32:22,720
this is interesting but it's not really

623
00:32:27,060 --> 00:32:24,429
what I'm after well I'm absolutely if

624
00:32:31,739 --> 00:32:27,070
something has changed in you and your

625
00:32:34,109 --> 00:32:31,749
your books are I would say more kind of

626
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:34,119
positive and uplifting what is the major

627
00:32:41,909 --> 00:32:37,450
source of this evolution a change in my

628
00:32:47,849 --> 00:32:41,919
relationship with the visitors and 2015

629
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:47,859
and died in August and yeah I was grief

630
00:32:53,969 --> 00:32:51,279
stricken and she proceeded to come back

631
00:32:56,729 --> 00:32:53,979
in ways that were totally undeniable and

632
00:32:59,129 --> 00:32:56,739
very cleverly designed to be that

633
00:33:00,599 --> 00:32:59,139
because she knows I'm in spite of all

634
00:33:03,389 --> 00:33:00,609
the weird things that happened to me and

635
00:33:06,419 --> 00:33:03,399
I'm I'm I am a relentlessly skeptical

636
00:33:08,130 --> 00:33:06,429
human being I never believed anything

637
00:33:09,930 --> 00:33:08,140
until it is staring me in

638
00:33:11,490 --> 00:33:09,940
face and that's exactly what she did

639
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:11,500
that's all in a book called the

640
00:33:17,820 --> 00:33:14,890
afterlife revolution and that changed me

641
00:33:20,670 --> 00:33:17,830
profoundly because I had had a lot of

642
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:20,680
experiences before including some

643
00:33:28,110 --> 00:33:24,370
stunning experiences with the dead but

644
00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:28,120
when it is your wife and you know it

645
00:33:34,860 --> 00:33:32,110
because it's it's it's her it changes

646
00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:34,870
everything my universe the whole viola

647
00:33:43,260 --> 00:33:37,840
experience of reality changed and then

648
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:43,270
with her came the visitors in a totally

649
00:33:50,510 --> 00:33:48,250
new way and it was not bad it was not

650
00:33:54,300 --> 00:33:50,520
all it was hard it's always hard I mean

651
00:33:57,420 --> 00:33:54,310
let me put it this way wherever they

652
00:34:00,330 --> 00:33:57,430
come from and whatever they are things

653
00:34:01,610 --> 00:34:00,340
like stand-up comedy apparently do not

654
00:34:08,850 --> 00:34:01,620
work there

655
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:08,860
let me that's just gonna be singing and

656
00:34:12,870 --> 00:34:11,200
dancing the only the only the funniest

657
00:34:14,850 --> 00:34:12,880
story of that sort I ever heard about

658
00:34:19,620 --> 00:34:14,860
them was actually a psychiatrist who was

659
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:19,630
living in Upper West Side Manhattan

660
00:34:25,950 --> 00:34:22,210
she was swedish woman and she was

661
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:25,960
smoking a pipe in bed and suddenly the

662
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:30,130
the bed the closet door flew open and a

663
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:33,610
conga line and of gray's danced out and

664
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:37,810
danced through the wall out into the air

665
00:34:41,790 --> 00:34:40,000
above West End Avenue and the next thing

666
00:34:46,410 --> 00:34:41,800
she knew her bed was on fire because she

667
00:34:49,730 --> 00:34:46,420
blown all the pipe burning pipe tobacco

668
00:34:53,070 --> 00:34:49,740
[Laughter]

669
00:34:57,180 --> 00:34:53,080
but you know that's one thing and that's

670
00:34:59,730 --> 00:34:57,190
funny but I was I was really very wary

671
00:35:02,640 --> 00:34:59,740
of them but now I have been alone with

672
00:35:04,170 --> 00:35:02,650
him like I was when I was a child I was

673
00:35:08,070 --> 00:35:04,180
alone with him a lot when I was a child

674
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:08,080
and it never occurred to me to be scared

675
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:09,850
of them until I found out my dad was

676
00:35:14,250 --> 00:35:11,650
scared of them then I was scared of them

677
00:35:17,970 --> 00:35:14,260
but I've been alone with them a lot in

678
00:35:21,150 --> 00:35:17,980
the past few years and there's also a

679
00:35:21,930 --> 00:35:21,160
relationship with with Ann and with the

680
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:21,940
human dead

681
00:35:27,390 --> 00:35:25,210
and it just turned into something that I

682
00:35:30,420 --> 00:35:27,400
consider beautiful and I'm having a

683
00:35:32,549 --> 00:35:30,430
wonderful time with it but listen this

684
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:32,559
is still got a dangerous edge to it and

685
00:35:38,370 --> 00:35:34,210
that go into that in my book I would

686
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:38,380
never pretend otherwise I would never

687
00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:41,200
say otherwise until we really understand

688
00:35:46,890 --> 00:35:44,250
very clearly what's going on here and

689
00:35:49,170 --> 00:35:46,900
there's and thank you for the call Bob

690
00:35:51,210 --> 00:35:49,180
and that was a great question don't do

691
00:35:54,359 --> 00:35:51,220
it it wasn't good so much thank you yeah

692
00:35:58,079 --> 00:35:54,369
absolutely think about there's there's

693
00:35:58,920 --> 00:35:58,089
another element to this before I get to

694
00:36:04,260 --> 00:35:58,930
the next caller

695
00:36:07,710 --> 00:36:04,270
is that you I've heard this over and

696
00:36:11,549 --> 00:36:07,720
over again my own experience would

697
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:11,559
communion have been the same book if it

698
00:36:18,779 --> 00:36:15,760
was a different cover no the cover is a

699
00:36:21,390 --> 00:36:18,789
major part of the book and the cover is

700
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:21,400
a major part of the book because those

701
00:36:30,059 --> 00:36:26,170
huge eyes in when in real life they

702
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:30,069
reflect our innermost being and the

703
00:36:35,339 --> 00:36:33,730
picture reminds you of how difficult

704
00:36:37,049 --> 00:36:35,349
that is to face and that's why the

705
00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:37,059
picture arrested so many people's

706
00:36:44,299 --> 00:36:40,750
attention and take took them deep into

707
00:36:47,700 --> 00:36:44,309
themselves to the hidden memories of

708
00:36:49,980 --> 00:36:47,710
their experiences and encounters with

709
00:36:53,339 --> 00:36:49,990
the visitors the picture was a wake up

710
00:36:55,620 --> 00:36:53,349
call of gigantic proportions that swept

711
00:36:59,640 --> 00:36:55,630
across the whole world that book

712
00:37:05,190 --> 00:36:59,650
speaking of Pasadena that book in my

713
00:37:11,069 --> 00:37:05,200
bedroom was always facedown I couldn't I

714
00:37:12,299 --> 00:37:11,079
couldn't have it face up and I'm not at

715
00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:12,309
the picture right now

716
00:37:17,849 --> 00:37:15,089
so my hanging on my wall in my office

717
00:37:20,490 --> 00:37:17,859
there are two pictures of two ladies

718
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:20,500
there one of them is the communion lady

719
00:37:25,799 --> 00:37:24,130
and then the other one is and and

720
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:25,809
whenever I'm working I can just glance

721
00:37:29,339 --> 00:37:26,770
up and there they are

722
00:37:30,930 --> 00:37:29,349
there it is my girls let's go back to

723
00:37:32,779 --> 00:37:30,940
the phones hi you're live on peda block

724
00:37:35,700 --> 00:37:32,789
who's calling

725
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:35,710
IJ me this is Kevin from West

726
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:37,570
hey Kevin how are you tonight say hi to

727
00:37:41,130 --> 00:37:40,690
Whitley a little Whitley how are you

728
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:41,140
doing

729
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:44,650
well fine thank you and you uh pretty

730
00:37:49,230 --> 00:37:46,960
good is that it just pretty good that's

731
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:49,240
that's what that's so you and Whitley

732
00:37:54,839 --> 00:37:52,450
are just pretty good tonight I'm not

733
00:37:58,740 --> 00:37:54,849
pretty good I'm really very good oh yeah

734
00:38:01,589 --> 00:37:58,750
I'm having a cold rollin in from playing

735
00:38:03,450 --> 00:38:01,599
grizzly bear with my grandson too much

736
00:38:06,450 --> 00:38:03,460
yeah Kevin's probably got the same story

737
00:38:08,910 --> 00:38:06,460
Kevin what do you have for our Whitley

738
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:08,920
tonight uh I just want to talk a little

739
00:38:16,010 --> 00:38:14,320
bit about the book that taught me years

740
00:38:20,220 --> 00:38:16,020
and years ago when it was first released

741
00:38:21,770 --> 00:38:20,230
the coming global super storm by art

742
00:38:28,650 --> 00:38:21,780
thou and Whitley Strieber

743
00:38:31,829 --> 00:38:28,660
Whitley since they did or based the film

744
00:38:36,359 --> 00:38:31,839
the day after tomorrow in the book what

745
00:38:40,070 --> 00:38:36,369
are your thoughts well unfortunately

746
00:38:43,170 --> 00:38:40,080
there's a lot of truth in super storm

747
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:43,180
The Day After Tomorrow compresses things

748
00:38:50,820 --> 00:38:48,730
a little bit I think and I also think

749
00:38:52,859 --> 00:38:50,830
that there is a we're at a kind of

750
00:38:57,720 --> 00:38:52,869
tipping point and I don't really know

751
00:39:02,579 --> 00:38:57,730
what is gonna happen in super storm what

752
00:39:05,310 --> 00:39:02,589
happens is there is a massive heating

753
00:39:08,030 --> 00:39:05,320
and then a sudden drop-off and cooling

754
00:39:10,650 --> 00:39:08,040
of the planet but it all happens

755
00:39:13,710 --> 00:39:10,660
somewhat quickly and in it in the movie

756
00:39:19,740 --> 00:39:13,720
even quicker in the real world what

757
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:19,750
happens is there is a the there's arc

758
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:22,450
melt and heating in the Arctic methane

759
00:39:30,170 --> 00:39:25,690
begins to come up out of the ocean where

760
00:39:33,210 --> 00:39:30,180
it is held in methane hydrates on the

761
00:39:37,620 --> 00:39:33,220
continental shelves at a constant

762
00:39:40,589 --> 00:39:37,630
temperature of blo 47 degrees it melts

763
00:39:48,580 --> 00:39:40,599
it releases all and turns into gas at 47

764
00:39:52,330 --> 00:39:50,410
I had to turn on Mike off button there

765
00:39:54,340 --> 00:39:52,340
for a minute okay it's because I did not

766
00:39:57,490 --> 00:39:54,350
don't want to sneeze at you guys well

767
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:57,500
duh very so listen anyway getting back

768
00:40:03,570 --> 00:40:00,800
to the methane hydrates they melt it

769
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:03,580
turns into methane it comes pouring in

770
00:40:15,580 --> 00:40:07,970
trillions of tons out of the oceans this

771
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:15,590
is a hugely active gas it traps heat

772
00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:19,010
close to the ground the the temperature

773
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:22,160
rises dramatically but over about a

774
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:23,930
thirty year period that methane

775
00:40:29,890 --> 00:40:27,200
dissipates and then you have a planet

776
00:40:33,610 --> 00:40:29,900
that is extremely hot but there is

777
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:33,620
nothing holding the heat in anymore the

778
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:40,160
heat it radiates into the Attic into the

779
00:40:48,430 --> 00:40:44,810
into space the it gets very cold there's

780
00:40:50,980 --> 00:40:48,440
a lot of rain at that point and one

781
00:40:53,410 --> 00:40:50,990
summer comes where the ice does not melt

782
00:40:57,900 --> 00:40:53,420
over the northern half of the northern

783
00:41:01,780 --> 00:40:57,910
hemisphere and another Ice Age begins or

784
00:41:04,450 --> 00:41:01,790
there's another scenario now the heating

785
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:04,460
is happening so intensely and so fast

786
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:09,110
right now that that doesn't happen the

787
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:11,570
heat there's so much carbon dioxide in

788
00:41:15,220 --> 00:41:13,250
the atmosphere that the methane just

789
00:41:19,810 --> 00:41:15,230
adds heat and when the methane

790
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:19,820
dissipates it's still hot and very

791
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:21,770
frankly that's an extinction event we're

792
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:25,850
not there after that yeah Dana you like

793
00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:27,410
some more good news yeah yeah Dane

794
00:41:33,490 --> 00:41:30,110
Wigington has been talking about the

795
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:33,500
methane aspect of you know what is

796
00:41:39,940 --> 00:41:37,610
trapped and if it ever does release it

797
00:41:44,110 --> 00:41:39,950
it is it is lights out and there's

798
00:41:46,870 --> 00:41:44,120
really nothing that can be done and yeah

799
00:41:47,740 --> 00:41:46,880
it is releasing now but not not that

800
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:47,750
fast

801
00:41:53,710 --> 00:41:50,450
yet that's right at Kevin thank you for

802
00:41:55,720 --> 00:41:53,720
the phone call man Thank You Jimmy thank

803
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:55,730
you nice to talk to you Willie well

804
00:41:59,860 --> 00:41:56,330
thank you

805
00:42:01,960 --> 00:41:59,870
gobekli tepe gobekli tepe that's what

806
00:42:06,910 --> 00:42:01,970
I'm talking about right there

807
00:42:09,490 --> 00:42:06,920
I watched the day after tomorrow

808
00:42:12,579 --> 00:42:09,500
last month I watched it beginning down

809
00:42:14,770 --> 00:42:12,589
it was just something that it was one of

810
00:42:16,660 --> 00:42:14,780
those moments and I was in the mood and

811
00:42:21,359 --> 00:42:16,670
I watched it and what struck me about

812
00:42:24,609 --> 00:42:21,369
that Whitley was the suddenness of it

813
00:42:26,380 --> 00:42:24,619
and that that part it's just like one

814
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:26,390
day things are cool the next it's not

815
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:31,040
and it's not in our control yeah it's

816
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:33,410
not in our control now right that's what

817
00:42:36,190 --> 00:42:34,010
I'm saying

818
00:42:39,130 --> 00:42:36,200
you know that's that's that's that's a

819
00:42:40,750 --> 00:42:39,140
that's a crazy because we always like to

820
00:42:43,870 --> 00:42:40,760
think that there's something we can do

821
00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:43,880
the you know an asteroid I think there

822
00:42:52,059 --> 00:42:46,910
probably was and may still be I mean

823
00:42:54,849 --> 00:42:52,069
it's not over yet but as far as a every

824
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:54,859
day that passes it's gonna get harder to

825
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:56,450
fix this there's no question about that

826
00:43:01,750 --> 00:42:58,640
yeah no question and you know we have

827
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:01,760
these we have we're leaderless on this

828
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:07,010
issue the bet the most the best leader

829
00:43:13,900 --> 00:43:11,599
the world has sixteen-year-old girl and

830
00:43:18,430 --> 00:43:13,910
let's face it she has no political clout

831
00:43:21,490 --> 00:43:18,440
whatsoever that all she can do is wake

832
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:21,500
people up to some extent but our there's

833
00:43:28,030 --> 00:43:24,650
nope no one and I'm not blaming by the

834
00:43:31,059 --> 00:43:28,040
way I got a crazed email from someone

835
00:43:33,819 --> 00:43:31,069
that I hated all Republicans because I'm

836
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:33,829
I believe in climate change I do not

837
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:35,839
hate all Republicans because I believe

838
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:39,410
in climate change Obama did not do much

839
00:43:43,390 --> 00:43:41,210
for the environment either in this

840
00:43:46,690 --> 00:43:43,400
direction he just ignored this subject

841
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:46,700
and so did a Clinton and they all do

842
00:43:52,930 --> 00:43:49,490
they all have ignored it because it is

843
00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:52,940
so big it's it takes more leadership

844
00:43:58,660 --> 00:43:55,730
than just a president it takes a whole

845
00:44:01,420 --> 00:43:58,670
world coming together and the Paris

846
00:44:03,550 --> 00:44:01,430
climate Accord is not enough that's not

847
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:03,560
the world coming together that's another

848
00:44:09,900 --> 00:44:06,530
version of the UN where we sit around

849
00:44:13,089 --> 00:44:09,910
and talk and eat drink coffee and eat

850
00:44:14,559 --> 00:44:13,099
fancy dinners and they all go back to

851
00:44:15,780 --> 00:44:14,569
our home countries thinking oh well

852
00:44:19,110 --> 00:44:15,790
we've done a good job and

853
00:44:22,860 --> 00:44:19,120
thing whatsoever changes right now so we

854
00:44:26,130 --> 00:44:22,870
need real world leadership dynamic

855
00:44:28,050 --> 00:44:26,140
powerful leaders who are charismatic

856
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:28,060
enough to carry the day in a lot of

857
00:44:32,130 --> 00:44:30,610
different countries let's go back to the

858
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:32,140
phones hi you're live on fade to black

859
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:35,410
who's calling hey it's all from sunny

860
00:44:40,770 --> 00:44:38,530
Southern Oregon down here in Grants Pass

861
00:44:42,570 --> 00:44:40,780
Whitney Quigley we're having an

862
00:44:45,420 --> 00:44:42,580
end-of-the-world barbecue when the mise

863
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:45,430
en place rates cook up you're more than

864
00:44:50,100 --> 00:44:46,960
welcome so are you Jimmy bring the

865
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:50,110
family would love to well listen I've

866
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:52,570
got too many grandkids I do not I am NOT

867
00:44:59,700 --> 00:44:54,400
interested in end of the world anything

868
00:45:03,920 --> 00:44:59,710
I am for the future I live where my

869
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:03,930
future is in my in my family's house a

870
00:45:09,690 --> 00:45:07,690
read your work and the question that

871
00:45:11,850 --> 00:45:09,700
comes to my mind and and I've had a

872
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:11,860
couple of other people talk about

873
00:45:15,870 --> 00:45:14,410
experiences where these creatures are

874
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:15,880
just coming through the walls you're

875
00:45:21,390 --> 00:45:18,610
coming through openings that form in the

876
00:45:27,930 --> 00:45:21,400
walls where are these people coming from

877
00:45:30,350 --> 00:45:27,940
and how are they getting here and we've

878
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:30,360
got dealing with these listen to get fit

879
00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:32,800
we've been dealing with this for 70

880
00:45:38,670 --> 00:45:36,310
years and that is a premature question

881
00:45:39,210 --> 00:45:38,680
because nobody knows how is this

882
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:39,220
happening

883
00:45:46,380 --> 00:45:43,210
no one does every once in a while there

884
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:46,390
is something that happens that has the

885
00:45:52,290 --> 00:45:49,090
logic of life in other words it's like

886
00:45:55,230 --> 00:45:52,300
stuff that we live with every day like

887
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:55,240
there's a documentary out there called

888
00:46:02,640 --> 00:45:58,960
witness of another world with Jacques

889
00:46:07,550 --> 00:46:02,650
vallée by done by a Argentinean director

890
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:07,560
Allen Steve Allen which is about a back

891
00:46:13,470 --> 00:46:11,170
forty years ago when a this man who is

892
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:13,480
now an adult was a 12 year old boy

893
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:17,410
living in the pompe and in the yeah and

894
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:21,370
the Pampas he saw a fog bank when I was

895
00:46:25,140 --> 00:46:23,530
out looking for some cattle and he

896
00:46:29,730 --> 00:46:25,150
walked into the fog bank and there was

897
00:46:31,530 --> 00:46:29,740
this UFO with a ladder coming down

898
00:46:33,420 --> 00:46:31,540
so he's a little boy you know he climbs

899
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:33,430
up the ladder to see what's going on and

900
00:46:40,380 --> 00:46:38,170
what does he see this really tall weird

901
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:40,390
creature in some kind of a suit looking

902
00:46:46,290 --> 00:46:43,119
down at him and beside it a smaller

903
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:46,300
creature carrying out a cattle

904
00:46:52,740 --> 00:46:49,920
mutilation he tries to walk closer

905
00:46:55,609 --> 00:46:52,750
inside the thing but there's a barrier

906
00:47:00,240 --> 00:46:55,619
that won't let him through

907
00:47:03,060 --> 00:47:00,250
after a while he goes down and he can

908
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:03,070
never get his life together again it

909
00:47:09,570 --> 00:47:06,250
affects him somewhere on a spiritual or

910
00:47:11,850 --> 00:47:09,580
psychic and psychological level that he

911
00:47:14,850 --> 00:47:11,860
literally can't get his life together

912
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:14,860
again and all these years later he's

913
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:18,010
living in isolation he's stays away from

914
00:47:24,210 --> 00:47:21,130
people he's basically a hunter-gatherer

915
00:47:28,109 --> 00:47:24,220
now and so Allen stylman who's a very

916
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:28,119
insightful man decides well I'm gonna

917
00:47:34,290 --> 00:47:32,010
take him and reconnect him with his his

918
00:47:38,430 --> 00:47:34,300
indigenous relatives the good Neri

919
00:47:41,970 --> 00:47:38,440
people and they fly across Argentina to

920
00:47:44,970 --> 00:47:41,980
this tribe and the people in the tribe

921
00:47:48,330 --> 00:47:44,980
have no trouble with what happened to

922
00:47:51,950 --> 00:47:48,340
him it's just business as usual to them

923
00:47:55,290 --> 00:47:51,960
and he begins a whole new level of life

924
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:55,300
now that's just that's a situation where

925
00:48:00,599 --> 00:47:57,850
it sort of happened normally on our

926
00:48:04,290 --> 00:48:00,609
level that is not what happens to me I

927
00:48:06,270 --> 00:48:04,300
had one situation like that I wrote woke

928
00:48:07,890 --> 00:48:06,280
up in a room full of giant bugs who were

929
00:48:12,180 --> 00:48:07,900
really did lling with me in some very

930
00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:12,190
unpleasant ways and I was not amused to

931
00:48:18,540 --> 00:48:15,730
say the least mostly my experience is a

932
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:18,550
very brief these beings they do walk

933
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:22,000
through walls they can walk through a

934
00:48:26,310 --> 00:48:24,490
wall and be completely solid when they

935
00:48:29,220 --> 00:48:26,320
come through the wall I've seen it

936
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:29,230
people who other witnesses at my cabin

937
00:48:34,650 --> 00:48:31,570
when we had a cabin in upstate New York

938
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:34,660
they saw an experienced phenomenon like

939
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:37,930
that all the time they can be invisible

940
00:48:43,089 --> 00:48:40,570
we have had that experience and become

941
00:48:46,959 --> 00:48:43,099
visible and become invisible

942
00:48:48,729 --> 00:48:46,969
and we just don't know how all that

943
00:48:50,949 --> 00:48:48,739
works period

944
00:48:58,749 --> 00:48:50,959
yeah witness witness to another world

945
00:49:03,819 --> 00:48:58,759
was so emotional and to see the tears

946
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:03,829
the emotion of a life changed and and

947
00:49:08,170 --> 00:49:05,930
what was what I thought was so unique

948
00:49:10,359 --> 00:49:08,180
and I'm glad that Alan you know we had

949
00:49:15,009 --> 00:49:10,369
jock on the show too as well to talk

950
00:49:17,529 --> 00:49:15,019
about this the the approach to it when

951
00:49:19,809 --> 00:49:17,539
he spanned you know a few decades and

952
00:49:24,459 --> 00:49:19,819
you see somebody mature you know has

953
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:24,469
grown up but basically in isolation in

954
00:49:33,339 --> 00:49:26,690
that when he was twelve he didn't have

955
00:49:36,219 --> 00:49:33,349
access to UFO movies or research or

956
00:49:38,019 --> 00:49:36,229
famous cases this was just his

957
00:49:39,069 --> 00:49:38,029
experience and he didn't know how to

958
00:49:40,569 --> 00:49:39,079
describe it

959
00:49:44,259 --> 00:49:40,579
he didn't know what he was looking he

960
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:44,269
had nothing to relate it to and which

961
00:49:50,979 --> 00:49:47,930
added to the the foundation of the story

962
00:49:55,089 --> 00:49:50,989
for sure but it's how somebody with that

963
00:49:58,150 --> 00:49:55,099
isolation to society is forced into

964
00:50:00,789 --> 00:49:58,160
dealing with something that traumatic

965
00:50:02,799 --> 00:50:00,799
that he didn't understand and he dealt

966
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:02,809
with it in his own ways tremendous film

967
00:50:08,109 --> 00:50:05,690
just tremendous film in it but you know

968
00:50:09,999 --> 00:50:08,119
listening you ask a really good question

969
00:50:13,019 --> 00:50:10,009
because what you're saying you're asking

970
00:50:15,819 --> 00:50:13,029
is what basically is going on here and

971
00:50:19,930 --> 00:50:15,829
the answer is what's going on here is

972
00:50:22,569 --> 00:50:19,940
happening at a level and in at a level

973
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:22,579
that we are not usually living at in

974
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:24,170
other words it's some other level of

975
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:26,569
life and in ways that we don't

976
00:50:31,779 --> 00:50:28,729
understand that's right Paul thank you

977
00:50:32,849 --> 00:50:31,789
for the phone call take care guys yeah

978
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:32,859
thank you

979
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:40,400
and the the other parts about witness to

980
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:43,130
another world is jacque's

981
00:50:48,670 --> 00:50:45,770
insight and to have

982
00:50:51,970 --> 00:50:48,680
Jacque be able to you know research and

983
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:51,980
study and be able to follow up on a case

984
00:50:58,810 --> 00:50:55,130
that he had researched from the very

985
00:51:00,520 --> 00:50:58,820
very beginning and the reconnect of

986
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:00,530
those two Wow

987
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:02,960
that was it was really good yeah it was

988
00:51:06,370 --> 00:51:05,210
really very wonderful Justin so great

989
00:51:11,830 --> 00:51:06,380
let's go back to the phones hi you're

990
00:51:12,610 --> 00:51:11,840
live I'm fade to black who's calling hi

991
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:12,620
tarita

992
00:51:18,870 --> 00:51:16,160
how are you say hi to Whitley hi how are

993
00:51:21,010 --> 00:51:18,880
you all right how are you hi listen

994
00:51:23,770 --> 00:51:21,020
tarita we're going to be headed towards

995
00:51:25,300 --> 00:51:23,780
a break in a four minutes so let's just

996
00:51:29,650 --> 00:51:25,310
get straight to a question what do you

997
00:51:32,740 --> 00:51:29,660
have for Whitley okay so what I sent you

998
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:32,750
some videos on your group page did you

999
00:51:41,950 --> 00:51:36,170
get a chance to look at those are you

1000
00:51:45,010 --> 00:51:41,960
talking to me well when you say page I

1001
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:45,020
don't know what you mean okay well

1002
00:51:49,630 --> 00:51:46,730
anyway let's just get to the point here

1003
00:51:51,730 --> 00:51:49,640
on yesterday I was out researching I had

1004
00:51:53,500 --> 00:51:51,740
seen an orb that came down or a light

1005
00:51:55,060 --> 00:51:53,510
that had came down on top of Spearfish

1006
00:51:57,730 --> 00:51:55,070
on this mountain so I went up yesterday

1007
00:51:59,830 --> 00:51:57,740
to go look at it and it was getting an

1008
00:52:01,810 --> 00:51:59,840
evening time when I was coming back down

1009
00:52:04,690 --> 00:52:01,820
and I saw like this flicker over to the

1010
00:52:06,700 --> 00:52:04,700
right of me so I walked over to it and I

1011
00:52:08,020 --> 00:52:06,710
posted these videos in your group and I

1012
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:08,030
walked over to it and there was a

1013
00:52:12,940 --> 00:52:11,090
scholar laying there and the whole area

1014
00:52:14,890 --> 00:52:12,950
looked like it had been like the grass

1015
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:14,900
had been or whatever it was up there was

1016
00:52:19,870 --> 00:52:18,170
like flat and then there was like the

1017
00:52:22,060 --> 00:52:19,880
whole area lookin like burned a little

1018
00:52:24,820 --> 00:52:22,070
bear I don't know anyway the point is

1019
00:52:26,500 --> 00:52:24,830
that I found this skull and I thought it

1020
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:26,510
was of an animal so I was like okay want

1021
00:52:29,830 --> 00:52:28,160
me to pick it up and I took it back with

1022
00:52:31,630 --> 00:52:29,840
me it was too dark to look at it by the

1023
00:52:34,330 --> 00:52:31,640
time I got back to my car I tried to

1024
00:52:36,490 --> 00:52:34,340
look at it I didn't really couldn't see

1025
00:52:39,550 --> 00:52:36,500
so I got home and I put the light on it

1026
00:52:42,670 --> 00:52:39,560
and as I looked at the skull of it it

1027
00:52:47,700 --> 00:52:42,680
was had these very intricate Simba

1028
00:52:50,350 --> 00:52:47,710
symbolic engravings on them and I just

1029
00:52:52,810 --> 00:52:50,360
like the vibration I got right away with

1030
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:52,820
that star nation had left this behind

1031
00:52:56,830 --> 00:52:55,370
that when they had come down for

1032
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:56,840
whatever reason they left that behind

1033
00:52:59,380 --> 00:52:58,880
for me to find I mean they led me up

1034
00:53:00,789 --> 00:52:59,390
there I would

1035
00:53:03,069 --> 00:53:00,799
up there for almost three hours walking

1036
00:53:05,289 --> 00:53:03,079
on this mountain just researching the

1037
00:53:06,730 --> 00:53:05,299
area and then these orbs were coming

1038
00:53:08,620 --> 00:53:06,740
down things lights were coming down from

1039
00:53:10,900 --> 00:53:08,630
the sky above spear-phishing Sturgis and

1040
00:53:13,839 --> 00:53:10,910
dropping down there's like 20 of them I

1041
00:53:15,940 --> 00:53:13,849
counted 17 of them and probably was kind

1042
00:53:17,170 --> 00:53:15,950
of stayed out till it was darker and I

1043
00:53:20,890 --> 00:53:17,180
proceeded to come back that's when I

1044
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:20,900
found that skull so um the vibration

1045
00:53:24,940 --> 00:53:22,400
that I got from star nation was that

1046
00:53:28,059 --> 00:53:24,950
that was kind of their gifts that they

1047
00:53:31,150 --> 00:53:28,069
gave to me just to let me know that they

1048
00:53:33,250 --> 00:53:31,160
led me to it and that's all it is and

1049
00:53:35,559 --> 00:53:33,260
that's what I'm sharing with the UFO

1050
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:35,569
community I don't need any backlash I

1051
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:37,010
don't need people telling me it's just a

1052
00:53:42,670 --> 00:53:39,440
structure of how the brain is connected

1053
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:42,680
and just all whatever this is not this I

1054
00:53:46,509 --> 00:53:44,240
need to get somebody to look at this I

1055
00:53:48,430 --> 00:53:46,519
need some DNA samples on it the arm

1056
00:53:50,410 --> 00:53:48,440
tissue on it there's a little piece of

1057
00:53:52,690 --> 00:53:50,420
tissue left on it it's like a wing of a

1058
00:53:54,190 --> 00:53:52,700
butterfly that's on it and if I sent

1059
00:53:55,839 --> 00:53:54,200
that video if you can look at it I tried

1060
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:55,849
to get as much close to it you can see

1061
00:53:59,769 --> 00:53:57,890
there's like little arm like there's

1062
00:54:01,839 --> 00:53:59,779
letters in there there's like if you

1063
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:01,849
look at it you can see like outlines of

1064
00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:03,920
people like holding hands I don't know

1065
00:54:07,930 --> 00:54:06,049
it's just a really interesting my

1066
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:07,940
information that star nation told me was

1067
00:54:14,620 --> 00:54:11,690
that when the energy left that being and

1068
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:14,630
that's called behind it came out when

1069
00:54:18,759 --> 00:54:16,490
that crack was underneath it where they

1070
00:54:21,130 --> 00:54:18,769
connects the skull when that energy left

1071
00:54:23,769 --> 00:54:21,140
out of it it left that pattern on there

1072
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:23,779
and that it's not earth origin it's from

1073
00:54:29,529 --> 00:54:25,839
them and that's some kind of like a

1074
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:29,539
encrypted message or it was just when

1075
00:54:34,329 --> 00:54:32,000
they when the energy left the body

1076
00:54:37,660 --> 00:54:34,339
ejected that's what it left behind it

1077
00:54:39,220 --> 00:54:37,670
was just that simple and I would just I

1078
00:54:40,539 --> 00:54:39,230
just was trying to share it with you and

1079
00:54:41,890 --> 00:54:40,549
your group and your people and your

1080
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:41,900
researchers and everybody that you

1081
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:44,720
network with how did you where is this

1082
00:54:50,410 --> 00:54:47,210
video that's what I understand she said

1083
00:54:52,599 --> 00:54:50,420
it's on is it it's what is my group I've

1084
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:52,609
got I've got I've got a website I've got

1085
00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:54,650
Facebook pages I've got all kinds of

1086
00:54:58,960 --> 00:54:57,200
stuff where did I don't I didn't have

1087
00:55:00,130 --> 00:54:58,970
access buddy else's I just put it in

1088
00:55:02,259 --> 00:55:00,140
Jimmy's clothes because I figured

1089
00:55:06,519 --> 00:55:02,269
everybody that he networks would be able

1090
00:55:10,450 --> 00:55:06,529
to see oh it's Jimmy so it's in mine

1091
00:55:11,530 --> 00:55:10,460
I did see tarita I've got a head towards

1092
00:55:13,570 --> 00:55:11,540
I've got to take a break right here

1093
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:13,580
thank you for the phone call and we'll

1094
00:55:19,870 --> 00:55:18,170
post up the video over in Twitter thank

1095
00:55:23,890 --> 00:55:19,880
you so much to read it so it's a pretty

1096
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:23,900
interesting find by the way it's not

1097
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:26,450
from here yes thank you so much to Rita

1098
00:55:32,980 --> 00:55:30,290
enjoy the rest of your night thank you

1099
00:55:34,660 --> 00:55:32,990
let's take our break right here on right

1100
00:55:36,130 --> 00:55:34,670
up against it right up against it

1101
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:36,140
Whitley stay right there we'll get the

1102
00:55:41,650 --> 00:55:38,450
videos up in Whitley I'll send you the

1103
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:41,660
links via email thanks yeah it's pretty

1104
00:55:45,540 --> 00:55:43,010
interesting this is fade to black

1105
00:55:48,010 --> 00:55:45,550
tonight night 3 of our open lines

1106
00:55:51,770 --> 00:55:48,020
tonight it's Whitley Strieber stay with

1107
00:55:51,780 --> 00:56:31,720
[Music]

1108
00:56:36,140 --> 00:56:34,280
welcome back fade to black I am your

1109
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:36,150
host Jimmy Church tonight Whitley

1110
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:38,970
Strieber taking your calls your

1111
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:44,010
conversation and before I get back to

1112
00:56:50,750 --> 00:56:47,370
the calls I wanted to do this Whitley

1113
00:56:54,380 --> 00:56:50,760
this this is a question sent in from our

1114
00:56:57,260 --> 00:56:54,390
producer Renee and she says Jimmy please

1115
00:57:00,590 --> 00:56:57,270
ask Whitley what he thinks of the recent

1116
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:00,600
statement by Kosta McRea sub ET let's

1117
00:57:05,810 --> 00:57:03,290
talk that aliens have dropped their

1118
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:05,820
non-interference policy with humans and

1119
00:57:11,110 --> 00:57:08,010
will help us save our society in our

1120
00:57:13,970 --> 00:57:11,120
planet if we request their assistance

1121
00:57:18,350 --> 00:57:13,980
that's right it's exactly what my books

1122
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:18,360
about there that's the short answer are

1123
00:57:22,790 --> 00:57:20,880
you gonna run for politics okay no I

1124
00:57:25,700 --> 00:57:22,800
don't know this isn't about politics

1125
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:25,710
it's about it's about a whole new world

1126
00:57:31,370 --> 00:57:27,930
it has nothing to do with what we now

1127
00:57:34,010 --> 00:57:31,380
think of as politics right right and is

1128
00:57:37,820 --> 00:57:34,020
is this is this what we've been waiting

1129
00:57:40,220 --> 00:57:37,830
for there's never gonna be a moment when

1130
00:57:43,310 --> 00:57:40,230
an alien sits down with the President

1131
00:57:46,190 --> 00:57:43,320
and or a panel of scientists I don't

1132
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:46,200
think this is extremely personal it has

1133
00:57:50,570 --> 00:57:48,810
to do with each individual as far as I

1134
00:57:52,310 --> 00:57:50,580
understand the visitors they would like

1135
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:52,320
each individual person to have a

1136
00:57:57,380 --> 00:57:54,330
different relationship with them and

1137
00:57:59,660 --> 00:57:57,390
they are ready as ready they would like

1138
00:58:03,560 --> 00:57:59,670
as many different relationships as there

1139
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:03,570
are people personalities and souls and

1140
00:58:10,940 --> 00:58:08,610
it and they will help us I show a couple

1141
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:10,950
of examples in the book of scientists

1142
00:58:15,340 --> 00:58:13,440
who are in there by name who have been

1143
00:58:19,580 --> 00:58:15,350
helped by the visitors in major ways

1144
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:19,590
that affected life on Earth and that can

1145
00:58:23,930 --> 00:58:22,530
spread and they people scientist people

1146
00:58:26,060 --> 00:58:23,940
in this scientific community's

1147
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:26,070
intellectual and academic communities do

1148
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:28,650
not have to come out and say now I am a

1149
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:31,050
believer in the visitors and I am going

1150
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:32,810
to do this they can do it privately

1151
00:58:37,700 --> 00:58:35,850
everyone can do it privately in their

1152
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:37,710
own life in their own home in their own

1153
00:58:42,609 --> 00:58:41,250
family and build this relationship in a

1154
00:58:45,130 --> 00:58:42,619
coherent way

1155
00:58:49,059 --> 00:58:45,140
that works for them where can everybody

1156
00:58:52,450 --> 00:58:49,069
get the book well it's right now it's

1157
00:58:54,910 --> 00:58:52,460
basically on Amazon it is available as

1158
00:58:57,279 --> 00:58:54,920
Kindle it's available in paperback and

1159
00:58:59,410 --> 00:58:57,289
there's some some screwy thing on Amazon

1160
00:59:01,509 --> 00:58:59,420
though which says that you won't get it

1161
00:59:03,339 --> 00:59:01,519
for two months but actually they're

1162
00:59:05,499 --> 00:59:03,349
shipping right away it's you know it's

1163
00:59:08,049 --> 00:59:05,509
it they're often glitches when something

1164
00:59:09,849 --> 00:59:08,059
just first starts out on Amazon GOC and

1165
00:59:14,370 --> 00:59:09,859
it should be available as an audiobook

1166
00:59:17,170 --> 00:59:14,380
next week who's who's doing the read

1167
00:59:19,749 --> 00:59:17,180
you're talking into it that's what I'm

1168
00:59:21,279 --> 00:59:19,759
talking about yeah I gotta do my own

1169
00:59:23,529 --> 00:59:21,289
readings for this and if are it for

1170
00:59:25,150 --> 00:59:23,539
afterlife revolution these books are too

1171
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:25,160
personal I can't give them to a reader

1172
00:59:30,069 --> 00:59:27,440
III read them myself

1173
00:59:32,529 --> 00:59:30,079
rita is going to be listening to whitley

1174
00:59:34,569 --> 00:59:32,539
strieber as we go to bed let's go back

1175
00:59:38,709 --> 00:59:34,579
to the phones hi you're live on fade to

1176
00:59:43,900 --> 00:59:38,719
black who's calling you're lying

1177
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:43,910
well yes you're live hello you're live

1178
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:47,930
who's calling oh this is wrong it's

1179
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:49,690
calling from Dallas Texas

1180
00:59:55,390 --> 00:59:53,450
how are you Ron I'm doing all right you

1181
00:59:57,279 --> 00:59:55,400
know how about you guys yeah you know

1182
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:57,289
it's whitley strieber it's fade to black

1183
01:00:01,809 --> 00:59:59,359
it doesn't get any better Ron what do

1184
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:01,819
you have for Whitley tonight yes I have

1185
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:04,400
a question is it I like to know is I

1186
01:00:10,180 --> 01:00:06,559
listened to a lot of these programs on a

1187
01:00:12,849 --> 01:00:10,190
radio and ant and I never hear anybody

1188
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:12,859
talk about defending yourself against

1189
01:00:16,779 --> 01:00:14,690
some of these aliens in ads I've had

1190
01:00:19,509 --> 01:00:16,789
problems with them for years and by the

1191
01:00:21,370 --> 01:00:19,519
way let you know I live you know just

1192
01:00:23,559 --> 01:00:21,380
outside of Dallas my work done in Dallas

1193
01:00:26,170 --> 01:00:23,569
but I just recently retired from the

1194
01:00:28,180 --> 01:00:26,180
police department and I've been having

1195
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:28,190
problems with them in fact they actually

1196
01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:30,650
I ain't what kind of problem because I

1197
01:00:36,759 --> 01:00:32,089
had a lot of problems with them I have

1198
01:00:39,039 --> 01:00:36,769
to tell you well not only did you know

1199
01:00:42,039 --> 01:00:39,049
they've also put some of implants in me

1200
01:00:43,959 --> 01:00:42,049
and those I found out through MRI and

1201
01:00:46,450 --> 01:00:43,969
the MRI system that I use was for

1202
01:00:48,700 --> 01:00:46,460
research purposes it's a highly powerful

1203
01:00:51,370 --> 01:00:48,710
one it's not open for patients in it but

1204
01:00:55,420 --> 01:00:51,380
I know the people that run it and we

1205
01:00:56,410 --> 01:00:55,430
found six of them enemy in it but one

1206
01:00:58,660 --> 01:00:56,420
night

1207
01:01:00,250 --> 01:00:58,670
actually was early in the morning it

1208
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:00,260
seems like they always come back around

1209
01:01:09,370 --> 01:01:04,610
2:00 to 5:00 a.m. job not trying to yeah

1210
01:01:12,580 --> 01:01:09,380
and one day one of them well there was

1211
01:01:14,050 --> 01:01:12,590
actually two in the room they were

1212
01:01:15,940 --> 01:01:14,060
trying to put something down my throat

1213
01:01:19,420 --> 01:01:15,950
and apparently I woke up and I grabbed

1214
01:01:21,370 --> 01:01:19,430
this one by the arm and I was just

1215
01:01:23,230 --> 01:01:21,380
punching the heck guys thing right in

1216
01:01:25,270 --> 01:01:23,240
the head punched it out several times

1217
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:25,280
and I was trying to do was what's called

1218
01:01:31,450 --> 01:01:28,160
a takedown move so I could grab what I

1219
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:31,460
know for one thing is that I wasn't

1220
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:34,370
going to use my service revolver because

1221
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:35,930
I know they have apparently a way that

1222
01:01:40,570 --> 01:01:37,970
they could prevent that from working so

1223
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:40,580
I went old-school and I was waiting for

1224
01:01:44,830 --> 01:01:42,050
these guys and whenever they came back

1225
01:01:46,810 --> 01:01:44,840
and tried something that what I did is I

1226
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:46,820
took a wooden stick a round wooden stick

1227
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:48,650
about two feet long and I made a sharp

1228
01:01:52,690 --> 01:01:50,570
point on one of them I figured they

1229
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:52,700
probably would detect it looked like a

1230
01:01:56,530 --> 01:01:54,170
piece of furniture and I was going to

1231
01:01:58,360 --> 01:01:56,540
stick it with this thing so I tried to

1232
01:02:00,610 --> 01:01:58,370
grab when I grabbed this one by the arm

1233
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:00,620
and I was hitting it I tried to reach

1234
01:02:05,050 --> 01:02:02,690
behind me to grab where this wooden

1235
01:02:10,210 --> 01:02:05,060
stick was and I was thicker but he broke

1236
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:10,220
away and the both of them was able to go

1237
01:02:15,130 --> 01:02:11,690
straight up through the ceiling just

1238
01:02:19,390 --> 01:02:15,140
right out of the house and it and I did

1239
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:19,400
not see them try to uh maybe move some

1240
01:02:23,890 --> 01:02:20,810
kind of equipment or something like they

1241
01:02:25,210 --> 01:02:23,900
had on him to eventually to dissipate

1242
01:02:27,430 --> 01:02:25,220
out of the room and go through the roof

1243
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:27,440
now the one thing is that a few guys

1244
01:02:31,150 --> 01:02:29,210
have ever been in combat or you've been

1245
01:02:33,730 --> 01:02:31,160
in the situation where you're fighting

1246
01:02:36,850 --> 01:02:33,740
for your life if you have a buddy with

1247
01:02:39,610 --> 01:02:36,860
you he's going to help you out the other

1248
01:02:42,490 --> 01:02:39,620
one just stood in the corner no emotions

1249
01:02:48,550 --> 01:02:42,500
nothing in the one that I was punching

1250
01:02:51,790 --> 01:02:48,560
out had no made no sound nothing like no

1251
01:03:00,100 --> 01:02:54,490
let's let's start with the first part of

1252
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:00,110
that question Ron which was is there a

1253
01:03:05,110 --> 01:03:02,930
defense if you need to have a defense

1254
01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:05,120
Whitley is there something somebody can

1255
01:03:14,859 --> 01:03:10,089
do well years ago I

1256
01:03:18,370 --> 01:03:14,869
decided I wanted to do this in other

1257
01:03:21,430 --> 01:03:18,380
words I actually I went out into the

1258
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:21,440
woods in the dark of the night time and

1259
01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:23,930
again to demonstrate them the fact that

1260
01:03:30,209 --> 01:03:27,920
I wanted to do it so I have had a sort

1261
01:03:34,019 --> 01:03:30,219
of a fundamentally different experience

1262
01:03:37,299 --> 01:03:34,029
but I do know people who have had

1263
01:03:40,479 --> 01:03:37,309
experiences similar to this listeners

1264
01:03:43,959 --> 01:03:40,489
the difference is that I don't know but

1265
01:03:48,670 --> 01:03:43,969
one or two cases where it has been that

1266
01:03:51,009 --> 01:03:48,680
physical mostly they were dropped in and

1267
01:03:53,140 --> 01:03:51,019
out of the physical in a second you know

1268
01:03:54,999 --> 01:03:53,150
you say they went up through the roof at

1269
01:03:58,479 --> 01:03:55,009
one point and that's not unusual the

1270
01:04:00,670 --> 01:03:58,489
fact that they were staying near you

1271
01:04:04,180 --> 01:04:00,680
physically long enough for you to do

1272
01:04:10,569 --> 01:04:04,190
anything threatening toward them at all

1273
01:04:13,029 --> 01:04:10,579
is very unusual I would think that there

1274
01:04:15,969 --> 01:04:13,039
was some there was something behind that

1275
01:04:19,509 --> 01:04:15,979
and as far as one of them having no

1276
01:04:28,049 --> 01:04:19,519
emotions they have a there's a variety

1277
01:04:30,609 --> 01:04:28,059
of of entities and some of them are

1278
01:04:32,769 --> 01:04:30,619
they're not they're very simple let me

1279
01:04:35,319 --> 01:04:32,779
put it that way others are much more

1280
01:04:38,019 --> 01:04:35,329
complex and sometimes when you get one

1281
01:04:41,049 --> 01:04:38,029
of the ones that really fully realized

1282
01:04:44,019 --> 01:04:41,059
creature real being it's you know he's

1283
01:04:45,999 --> 01:04:44,029
this is someone who's who is at least as

1284
01:04:48,789 --> 01:04:46,009
smart as you are in a highly developed

1285
01:04:50,949 --> 01:04:48,799
personality but you wouldn't seeing

1286
01:04:55,329 --> 01:04:50,959
those these were these were someone it

1287
01:04:57,180 --> 01:04:55,339
kind of a lower level of being I I have

1288
01:05:00,309 --> 01:04:57,190
thought that the physical ones might be

1289
01:05:03,549 --> 01:05:00,319
very sophisticated machines all of them

1290
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:03,559
even the ones with emotions are apparent

1291
01:05:07,539 --> 01:05:05,690
emotions I'm I'm not sure about that I

1292
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:07,549
go into that in the book fairly

1293
01:05:16,599 --> 01:05:13,130
extensively as far as defence against

1294
01:05:20,019 --> 01:05:16,609
them when I've had hard times with them

1295
01:05:22,599 --> 01:05:20,029
my basic thing has been to confront them

1296
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:22,609
but not violently because it I know it

1297
01:05:30,190 --> 01:05:23,570
doesn't work I know

1298
01:05:34,060 --> 01:05:30,200
I know people inside the inside this

1299
01:05:35,500 --> 01:05:34,070
thing who are in have had violent

1300
01:05:38,830 --> 01:05:35,510
confrontations with them and what then

1301
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:38,840
happens in those lives is that you know

1302
01:05:48,190 --> 01:05:45,410
a guy might be be ordered to to arm his

1303
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:48,200
arm his missiles and and go into an

1304
01:05:54,310 --> 01:05:50,810
attack foster and the next thing this

1305
01:05:56,140 --> 01:05:54,320
pilot knows they're in his house and his

1306
01:05:58,510 --> 01:05:56,150
kids are saying they're aliens in my

1307
01:06:02,500 --> 01:05:58,520
living bedroom you know and and that

1308
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:02,510
happens and I've know of people who have

1309
01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:04,370
been killed in this situation and not

1310
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:08,000
children but but people who have been in

1311
01:06:14,140 --> 01:06:10,250
confrontational situations who have been

1312
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:14,150
killed and it is it is dangerous it can

1313
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:16,370
be dangerous I would never try to

1314
01:06:22,750 --> 01:06:19,610
sugarcoat that at all or explain it away

1315
01:06:26,500 --> 01:06:22,760
in any way whatsoever what I can say is

1316
01:06:31,870 --> 01:06:26,510
what I have lived and I have lived this

1317
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:31,880
from having a very confrontational very

1318
01:06:37,780 --> 01:06:35,330
and difficult relationship with them to

1319
01:06:41,020 --> 01:06:37,790
what I have now which is essentially a

1320
01:06:44,730 --> 01:06:41,030
teacher-student relationship where they

1321
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:44,740
are teacher teachers and they really are

1322
01:06:53,590 --> 01:06:48,410
teaching me and what I did was I thought

1323
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:53,600
to myself this is in some deep way that

1324
01:06:59,740 --> 01:06:56,330
is not apparent necessarily on the

1325
01:07:04,330 --> 01:06:59,750
surface about my soul and about the soul

1326
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:04,340
and what is my soul like and I built a

1327
01:07:11,100 --> 01:07:06,650
strong soul the old-fashioned way

1328
01:07:14,740 --> 01:07:11,110
through love compassion and humility you

1329
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:14,750
know you pick up the New Testament and

1330
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:17,690
you can figure it out very quickly and I

1331
01:07:27,510 --> 01:07:21,890
do not get I get respect and I get love

1332
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:27,520
frankly I get a a very determined

1333
01:07:35,770 --> 01:07:31,010
attempt to communicate with me and teach

1334
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:35,780
me and I have no intention of raising a

1335
01:07:41,230 --> 01:07:37,490
hand in violence

1336
01:07:44,079 --> 01:07:41,240
at all anymore I've been there and done

1337
01:07:45,030 --> 01:07:44,089
that and it had no meaning it was just

1338
01:07:48,220 --> 01:07:45,040
useless

1339
01:07:50,650 --> 01:07:48,230
there is no right yeah I'm sorry Whitley

1340
01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:50,660
did I interrupt yeah there's one thing I

1341
01:07:57,609 --> 01:07:53,920
want to add there's a story in my book

1342
01:07:59,620 --> 01:07:57,619
about a man who had a violent

1343
01:08:01,030 --> 01:07:59,630
confrontation with them and what

1344
01:08:03,700 --> 01:08:01,040
happened to him and you should read that

1345
01:08:05,380 --> 01:08:03,710
because you need to try not to have a

1346
01:08:08,020 --> 01:08:05,390
violent confrontation with them and they

1347
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:08,030
will go to you they will go to you they

1348
01:08:14,260 --> 01:08:10,730
will make it works they will they will

1349
01:08:16,300 --> 01:08:14,270
they will like poking at an ant bed if

1350
01:08:18,039 --> 01:08:16,310
you don't if you're not if they you've

1351
01:08:21,430 --> 01:08:18,049
been violent to them in the past and

1352
01:08:23,950 --> 01:08:21,440
they come back and they're loaded loaded

1353
01:08:26,019 --> 01:08:23,960
for you and you are not violent they

1354
01:08:28,390 --> 01:08:26,029
will try to make you violent you have to

1355
01:08:30,459 --> 01:08:28,400
fight that inside yourself when it

1356
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:30,469
happens that's all I can say and it's

1357
01:08:35,499 --> 01:08:33,170
hard as hell and it is gonna take a long

1358
01:08:38,229 --> 01:08:35,509
time and it's I'm not telling you it's

1359
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:38,239
easy because it's not thank you for the

1360
01:08:44,140 --> 01:08:40,730
keep yeah Ron I was gonna say thank you

1361
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:44,150
for the phone call oh okay did you have

1362
01:08:51,459 --> 01:08:48,650
a really quick just to follow up well

1363
01:08:52,749 --> 01:08:51,469
the thing is that you know yeah I took a

1364
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:52,759
lot of pictures because he haven't

1365
01:08:56,440 --> 01:08:54,170
carved up just like a piece of Swiss

1366
01:08:58,630 --> 01:08:56,450
cheese you know and I got tired of there

1367
01:08:59,579 --> 01:08:58,640
so that was the reason why when I woke

1368
01:09:02,640 --> 01:08:59,589
up like this

1369
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:02,650
you know I defend it myself I mean

1370
01:09:07,300 --> 01:09:05,930
whenever you get it yeah there's a point

1371
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:07,310
where you just got to say enough is

1372
01:09:10,870 --> 01:09:08,960
enough if you want to sit down have a

1373
01:09:13,539 --> 01:09:10,880
conversation talk about the universe

1374
01:09:15,340 --> 01:09:13,549
fine you know I'm into that because I'm

1375
01:09:18,249 --> 01:09:15,350
in the science and I mean you know into

1376
01:09:20,380 --> 01:09:18,259
astronomy everything but you know do you

1377
01:09:22,809 --> 01:09:20,390
have yourself all carved up like yet and

1378
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:22,819
I know that there's there I know they're

1379
01:09:27,610 --> 01:09:25,370
mad at me in anti-sense that and he

1380
01:09:29,170 --> 01:09:27,620
wants something back because I took

1381
01:09:29,740 --> 01:09:29,180
something from them and they want it

1382
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:29,750
back

1383
01:09:37,380 --> 01:09:33,770
not without a fight it's mine now you

1384
01:09:40,599 --> 01:09:37,390
took for me I take from you yeah I am

1385
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:40,609
right right well like a Whitley said

1386
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:45,890
compassion non-violence and you know I I

1387
01:09:50,890 --> 01:09:48,770
hope I got a relation same it takes

1388
01:09:52,300 --> 01:09:50,900
patience patience be easy

1389
01:09:54,099 --> 01:09:52,310
especially if you already had violent

1390
01:09:59,020 --> 01:09:54,109
confrontations with them it took me

1391
01:10:01,630 --> 01:09:59,030
years to where they calm down there you

1392
01:10:02,890 --> 01:10:01,640
go run enjoy the rest of your night and

1393
01:10:06,010 --> 01:10:02,900
thank you the other thing go

1394
01:10:07,570 --> 01:10:06,020
just quickly you're not gonna win if you

1395
01:10:09,850 --> 01:10:07,580
keep fighting them they're just gonna

1396
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:09,860
come back and back and back yeah I can

1397
01:10:18,370 --> 01:10:12,290
only imagine thank you so much Ron have

1398
01:10:20,770 --> 01:10:18,380
a great night and the the question of a

1399
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:20,780
defense has come up so many different

1400
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:24,050
times and I understand for people that

1401
01:10:28,090 --> 01:10:26,330
are having these experiences that

1402
01:10:31,810 --> 01:10:28,100
they're not comfortable with it I mean

1403
01:10:35,470 --> 01:10:31,820
it's not easy and some don't want it you

1404
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:35,480
know and that's they need to yeah I

1405
01:10:39,130 --> 01:10:37,610
don't know if they want to go you know

1406
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:39,140
they're gonna have to we're gonna have

1407
01:10:44,470 --> 01:10:40,610
to just do what we can

1408
01:10:47,410 --> 01:10:44,480
I think if enough of us learn to handle

1409
01:10:49,570 --> 01:10:47,420
this in our own way it's gonna be bit

1410
01:10:51,610 --> 01:10:49,580
get all easier for everybody but right

1411
01:10:53,470 --> 01:10:51,620
now it's there a lot of people like this

1412
01:10:55,870 --> 01:10:53,480
poor guy who just called I mean he's it

1413
01:10:58,720 --> 01:10:55,880
sounds like a strong tough guy who's

1414
01:11:01,870 --> 01:10:58,730
having a real problem I respect that

1415
01:11:04,750 --> 01:11:01,880
right that's good I can't say to him oh

1416
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:04,760
you have to you have to buy some kind of

1417
01:11:11,350 --> 01:11:08,210
aluminum foil cap or something that that

1418
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:11,360
is not true this is a very very hard

1419
01:11:18,340 --> 01:11:15,920
very serious situation and you can with

1420
01:11:21,459 --> 01:11:18,350
effort I think make something worthwhile

1421
01:11:23,979 --> 01:11:21,469
in your life of it because I have done

1422
01:11:27,430 --> 01:11:23,989
that and I know other people who have

1423
01:11:29,290 --> 01:11:27,440
too but when it starts out hard it is

1424
01:11:31,419 --> 01:11:29,300
difficult and it starts out it's

1425
01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:31,429
obviously hard for him I was hard for me

1426
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:32,480
too at first

1427
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:35,449
very hard let's go back to the phones hi

1428
01:11:42,540 --> 01:11:39,040
you're live on fader block who's calling

1429
01:11:46,979 --> 01:11:45,310
how you doing Joe say hi to Whitley what

1430
01:11:57,430 --> 01:11:46,989
do you have for Whitley tonight Joe I

1431
01:12:02,500 --> 01:11:57,440
have absolutely Jonah so I want to say

1432
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:02,510
that I know you did throw it and they

1433
01:12:08,890 --> 01:12:04,610
did too a lot of pain out there

1434
01:12:11,890 --> 01:12:08,900
and I feel it a bit myself I just said I

1435
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:11,900
did just quote I'm not real I just like

1436
01:12:16,270 --> 01:12:13,610
making a comment about this ascension

1437
01:12:18,250 --> 01:12:16,280
thing that's going on you know a lot of

1438
01:12:20,709 --> 01:12:18,260
people are talking about in stro and

1439
01:12:23,590 --> 01:12:20,719
some people are gone through that at

1440
01:12:26,590 --> 01:12:23,600
this time and I hear about it and some

1441
01:12:28,030 --> 01:12:26,600
of Jimmy's ghost has teased and Twitter

1442
01:12:30,970 --> 01:12:28,040
stuff although I won't mention any names

1443
01:12:33,550 --> 01:12:30,980
though but I'll say they're selling a

1444
01:12:37,030 --> 01:12:33,560
comment I thought if you will allow me

1445
01:12:40,570 --> 01:12:37,040
to you know people are having a

1446
01:12:43,770 --> 01:12:40,580
suspension thing but it's not an end in

1447
01:12:47,770 --> 01:12:43,780
itself it's not asking you for

1448
01:12:49,780 --> 01:12:47,780
transcended cushy experience that you

1449
01:12:53,830 --> 01:12:49,790
know you know tell them the Land of Oz

1450
01:12:58,330 --> 01:12:53,840
you know to me I believe it's an

1451
01:13:01,030 --> 01:12:58,340
empowerment for us to equip us not to

1452
01:13:03,430 --> 01:13:01,040
like you know a maybe clean up some of

1453
01:13:05,620 --> 01:13:03,440
this cause you caused the mess we're

1454
01:13:07,990 --> 01:13:05,630
walking through you're like so much

1455
01:13:10,359 --> 01:13:08,000
driven the swamp and uh Washington I

1456
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:10,369
believe that go see other swap you need

1457
01:13:15,459 --> 01:13:12,290
to be trained to out then woody a bit

1458
01:13:18,970 --> 01:13:15,469
wetly thank you so much well Joe yeah I

1459
01:13:21,490 --> 01:13:18,980
don't I I don't know if we should drain

1460
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:21,500
the swamp in Washington because I've

1461
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:23,570
been around swamps that have been

1462
01:13:28,390 --> 01:13:25,810
drained and they stink

1463
01:13:32,649 --> 01:13:28,400
so we're maybe we're better off leaving

1464
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:32,659
that swamp where it is the this is not

1465
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:34,010
gonna be easy you know

1466
01:13:41,410 --> 01:13:38,050
the previous listener when he said I'm

1467
01:13:42,970 --> 01:13:41,420
on a chat with my with some of my fans

1468
01:13:46,300 --> 01:13:42,980
at the same time we're talking and

1469
01:13:48,189 --> 01:13:46,310
someone says I heard the desperation in

1470
01:13:51,100 --> 01:13:48,199
his voice when he asked will the rest of

1471
01:13:52,270 --> 01:13:51,110
my life be like this and this is a huge

1472
01:14:06,180 --> 01:13:52,280
question

1473
01:14:11,260 --> 01:14:06,190
to answer it for you tonight I can't I

1474
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:11,270
can't because nobody can answer it we

1475
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:15,050
have this here this is here it is what

1476
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:17,610
it is and we're gonna have to

1477
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:22,290
make our place in it in a new world I

1478
01:14:26,650 --> 01:14:25,170
talk about the place I've made for

1479
01:14:30,260 --> 01:14:26,660
myself in it

1480
01:14:31,670 --> 01:14:30,270
there's a statement in the book I think

1481
01:14:34,610 --> 01:14:31,680
it is the single most important thing

1482
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:34,620
ever said about this experience by

1483
01:14:40,460 --> 01:14:37,530
anybody it was said by colonel philip

1484
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:40,470
corso the intelligence officer who had

1485
01:14:46,220 --> 01:14:43,410
an encounter with the visitors in on

1486
01:14:47,690 --> 01:14:46,230
white sands and you read his stuff and

1487
01:14:49,580 --> 01:14:47,700
some of it it seems completely off the

1488
01:14:51,890 --> 01:14:49,590
wall and you read about him and there's

1489
01:14:53,660 --> 01:14:51,900
all kinds of crap about him out there on

1490
01:14:57,980 --> 01:14:53,670
the internet and cetera and so forth but

1491
01:15:01,550 --> 01:14:57,990
he said this and this is the truth he

1492
01:15:04,810 --> 01:15:01,560
said they told him what is on offer for

1493
01:15:07,940 --> 01:15:04,820
us is a new world if we can take it and

1494
01:15:11,540 --> 01:15:07,950
what's happening to that other listener

1495
01:15:15,050 --> 01:15:11,550
in the night is part of if we can take

1496
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:15,060
it and what happens has happened to me

1497
01:15:20,810 --> 01:15:17,760
as part of and to so many other people I

1498
01:15:25,150 --> 01:15:20,820
mean I had semen extracted from my body

1499
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:25,160
against my will right and that is that's

1500
01:15:31,970 --> 01:15:28,530
hard or a woman having an egg take it or

1501
01:15:35,380 --> 01:15:31,980
being shown a baby that she cannot put

1502
01:15:38,420 --> 01:15:35,390
her arms around and love that is hers

1503
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:38,430
that's horrible

1504
01:15:44,090 --> 01:15:41,610
it's horrible well Joe on the other hand

1505
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:44,100
they're here Joe do you have a lot to

1506
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:47,930
offer that is also true Joe brought up

1507
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:51,690
one point about ascension and there's

1508
01:15:57,950 --> 01:15:54,090
all this talk about ascension and and

1509
01:16:02,030 --> 01:15:57,960
what we have to rise to and there's a

1510
01:16:05,750 --> 01:16:02,040
lot of expectations behind that a with

1511
01:16:09,290 --> 01:16:05,760
your development and your maturity is

1512
01:16:11,180 --> 01:16:09,300
that part of the ascension that Joe

1513
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:11,190
speaks of and that others talk about

1514
01:16:16,450 --> 01:16:14,010
notes get from 3d and skip 4d and go

1515
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:16,460
straight to 5d and we're gonna have a

1516
01:16:24,430 --> 01:16:19,920
there's a lot of talk about this I know

1517
01:16:27,230 --> 01:16:24,440
that working on a strong soul makes your

1518
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:27,240
experience better that has been my what

1519
01:16:31,490 --> 01:16:29,970
happened in my life that you know I was

1520
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:31,500
just a typical

1521
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:34,530
totally pretty egotistical and sort of

1522
01:16:40,340 --> 01:16:37,290
unexamined person when I first met the

1523
01:16:44,380 --> 01:16:40,350
visitors the first real lesson May gave

1524
01:16:48,850 --> 01:16:44,390
me when it was a lesson in humility and

1525
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:48,860
I took that to heart and I decided I

1526
01:16:56,090 --> 01:16:52,770
understand this is a lesson and I am

1527
01:16:59,450 --> 01:16:56,100
going to take it to heart and I am going

1528
01:17:03,500 --> 01:16:59,460
to open myself to more lessons I want to

1529
01:17:08,060 --> 01:17:03,510
learn and they're followed a lifetime of

1530
01:17:11,060 --> 01:17:08,070
lessons in how to build a strong soul

1531
01:17:14,270 --> 01:17:11,070
and the better I got at it and the more

1532
01:17:16,130 --> 01:17:14,280
I worked at it at leading and examine

1533
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:16,140
life and looking at my life every single

1534
01:17:21,260 --> 01:17:18,810
day of my life the better my

1535
01:17:23,450 --> 01:17:21,270
relationship with them became that's as

1536
01:17:29,030 --> 01:17:23,460
simple as that is it and is it an

1537
01:17:31,729 --> 01:17:29,040
endless staircase well I don't know I'm

1538
01:17:34,220 --> 01:17:31,739
I I don't feel like I'm ascending a

1539
01:17:37,340 --> 01:17:34,230
staircase I'm just here doing what I can

1540
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:37,350
to make my life livable and good that's

1541
01:17:42,020 --> 01:17:40,170
what I want I want a good life and you

1542
01:17:45,650 --> 01:17:42,030
know I lost my wife and I'm mighty

1543
01:17:49,550 --> 01:17:45,660
lonely frankly because of that and she

1544
01:17:51,770 --> 01:17:49,560
was my she was more than a she was a she

1545
01:17:56,900 --> 01:17:51,780
was a deeply I mean we were like more

1546
01:17:58,700 --> 01:17:56,910
than joined at the hip and so but I have

1547
01:18:04,640 --> 01:17:58,710
them in my life and I have her in my

1548
01:18:07,070 --> 01:18:04,650
life now to in a different way and I I'm

1549
01:18:09,670 --> 01:18:07,080
trying to make what I hat can out of

1550
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:09,680
what I have and I want it to be good I

1551
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:13,530
want it to be good and if you know if in

1552
01:18:18,890 --> 01:18:16,890
the end I get eaten and too bad I went

1553
01:18:22,850 --> 01:18:18,900
down the wrong path but I don't think

1554
01:18:24,890 --> 01:18:22,860
that's gonna happen I think I think

1555
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:24,900
they're here to stay in my life and

1556
01:18:29,990 --> 01:18:27,330
after my life I don't think this this

1557
01:18:32,030 --> 01:18:30,000
does not end with death you you they

1558
01:18:35,150 --> 01:18:32,040
will be there also because they are

1559
01:18:38,990 --> 01:18:35,160
fully invested in this experience of

1560
01:18:41,090 --> 01:18:39,000
being and they are in our lives both in

1561
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:41,100
the physical and in the non-physical and

1562
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:43,290
probably primarily in the non-physical

1563
01:18:48,510 --> 01:18:45,610
you know it's funny that you say

1564
01:18:49,020 --> 01:18:48,520
when and Joe thank you for the phone

1565
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:49,030
call

1566
01:18:53,610 --> 01:18:51,010
when you say you know home time hey be

1567
01:18:55,500 --> 01:18:53,620
eaten there are atheist out there that

1568
01:18:59,520 --> 01:18:55,510
will say well you just achieved your

1569
01:19:01,950 --> 01:18:59,530
place in evolution yeah well I you know

1570
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:01,960
I listened before this happened to me if

1571
01:19:06,060 --> 01:19:03,370
you had asked me whether or not I was an

1572
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:06,070
atheist I would have said I'm an atheist

1573
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:09,010
who believes in the soul but I'm not I'm

1574
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:12,370
secular I'm not buying into the

1575
01:19:22,590 --> 01:19:16,570
religious proposition at all but now I

1576
01:19:24,780 --> 01:19:22,600
have seen that every real religion in

1577
01:19:27,810 --> 01:19:24,790
the world and I include in that Islam

1578
01:19:29,940 --> 01:19:27,820
because there's two types of Sura in

1579
01:19:32,730 --> 01:19:29,950
Islam the Mecca sorors and the Medina

1580
01:19:35,070 --> 01:19:32,740
sirs and if you read the Mecca sewers

1581
01:19:37,890 --> 01:19:35,080
which are the ones about love and life

1582
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:37,900
they're very beautiful the Medina ones

1583
01:19:45,380 --> 01:19:41,290
when Muhammad was fighting fighting in

1584
01:19:48,750 --> 01:19:45,390
in battle are very violent and I

1585
01:19:50,220 --> 01:19:48,760
unfortunately the Islamic extremists

1586
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:50,230
those are the only ones that matter them

1587
01:19:55,940 --> 01:19:52,210
apparently but the only ones that matter

1588
01:20:00,350 --> 01:19:55,950
to me or the are the Mecca saris and

1589
01:20:04,350 --> 01:20:00,360
Buddhism of course is and Hinduism and

1590
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:04,360
Christianity all have ways within them

1591
01:20:09,780 --> 01:20:06,730
if you can find them to build a strong

1592
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:09,790
soul for me Christianity is the is the

1593
01:20:13,710 --> 01:20:12,490
best because that's my religion that's

1594
01:20:18,150 --> 01:20:13,720
what I grew up with and what I

1595
01:20:20,910 --> 01:20:18,160
understand I think I understand and you

1596
01:20:23,790 --> 01:20:20,920
know I use the life and words of Christ

1597
01:20:26,850 --> 01:20:23,800
as my is my guiding light in my

1598
01:20:29,430 --> 01:20:26,860
bellwether to see how I'm doing and the

1599
01:20:35,370 --> 01:20:29,440
master of the key who I met in the Delta

1600
01:20:37,890 --> 01:20:35,380
Chelsea Hotel in Toronto in 1998 and I

1601
01:20:40,470 --> 01:20:37,900
asked him when I realized I was standing

1602
01:20:43,650 --> 01:20:40,480
there sitting there in front of a true

1603
01:20:46,170 --> 01:20:43,660
master and I folks I don't know where he

1604
01:20:47,580 --> 01:20:46,180
came from and when he left I never saw

1605
01:20:49,290 --> 01:20:47,590
him again I wrote a book about him

1606
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:49,300
called the key which is just a

1607
01:20:57,060 --> 01:20:52,690
transcript of our conversation he said I

1608
01:20:59,100 --> 01:20:57,070
asked him what's what what is sin and he

1609
01:21:01,200 --> 01:20:59,110
said to me these are immortal words

1610
01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:01,210
said sin is denial of the right to

1611
01:21:07,130 --> 01:21:04,800
thrive and if you look at your life and

1612
01:21:11,250 --> 01:21:07,140
what am i doing

1613
01:21:16,430 --> 01:21:11,260
that involves the health and happiness

1614
01:21:19,650 --> 01:21:16,440
of other people and you you can see

1615
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:19,660
easily where you are making people

1616
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:22,210
better and where you are diminishing

1617
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:24,970
their lives and then you know who you

1618
01:21:30,150 --> 01:21:28,210
are and where you stand and you know so

1619
01:21:32,850 --> 01:21:30,160
that's to me that's what it's about

1620
01:21:37,260 --> 01:21:32,860
it's very simple actually it's simple

1621
01:21:39,870 --> 01:21:37,270
but it's damn hard it's hard like self

1622
01:21:41,670 --> 01:21:39,880
confession for a reason let's take our

1623
01:21:43,470 --> 01:21:41,680
break right here this is fade to black

1624
01:21:47,100 --> 01:21:43,480
our guest tonight Whitley Strieber

1625
01:21:49,710 --> 01:21:47,110
night 3 of our call in a week absolutely

1626
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:49,720
tremendous conversation going on tonight

1627
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:51,010
if you're on hold stay right there

1628
01:21:55,710 --> 01:21:52,930
more of your phone calls after this

1629
01:21:58,500 --> 01:21:55,720
short break seven four seven two two

1630
01:22:10,969 --> 01:21:58,510
eight two zero five one stay with us

1631
01:22:14,399 --> 01:22:13,020
welcome back fade to black

1632
01:22:16,410 --> 01:22:14,409
I'm their host Jimmy Church what a great

1633
01:22:19,350 --> 01:22:16,420
conversation going on between all of you

1634
01:22:20,819 --> 01:22:19,360
and witnessed Reaver tonight night three

1635
01:22:23,489 --> 01:22:20,829
of our open lines week here on fader

1636
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:23,499
block this new book is called a new

1637
01:22:29,549 --> 01:22:26,170
world you can pick it up right there on

1638
01:22:32,429 --> 01:22:29,559
Amazon and Whitley

1639
01:22:33,870 --> 01:22:32,439
let's I've got so many calls on hold are

1640
01:22:36,359 --> 01:22:33,880
you ready to get straight back to it

1641
01:22:40,649 --> 01:22:36,369
sure yeah I'm here you having a good

1642
01:22:43,020 --> 01:22:40,659
time yeah I have to tell you I'm

1643
01:22:46,140 --> 01:22:43,030
thinking of that listeners struggling

1644
01:22:49,770 --> 01:22:46,150
there and you know in that meant a lot

1645
01:22:52,620 --> 01:22:49,780
to me I I you know I I I don't want to

1646
01:22:56,100 --> 01:22:52,630
like say read my book this is so hokey

1647
01:22:57,779 --> 01:22:56,110
but it would maybe be a good idea for

1648
01:23:00,000 --> 01:22:57,789
him to pick up a copy of it and at least

1649
01:23:03,089 --> 01:23:00,010
look through it and see if there isn't

1650
01:23:05,719 --> 01:23:03,099
something he can find some some some

1651
01:23:07,919 --> 01:23:05,729
definition for himself in do you know I

1652
01:23:10,529 --> 01:23:07,929
you know I've been down that road I know

1653
01:23:15,029 --> 01:23:10,539
where he is right right and and I went

1654
01:23:18,299 --> 01:23:15,039
down it not quite the same but you know

1655
01:23:22,669 --> 01:23:18,309
I had something in my room back in 1995

1656
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:22,679
and I was ready it took about 15 minutes

1657
01:23:29,609 --> 01:23:26,530
for me to be able to move and when I did

1658
01:23:32,219 --> 01:23:29,619
after the staredown I was ready for some

1659
01:23:36,179 --> 01:23:32,229
Bruce Lee action that was my intention

1660
01:23:41,489 --> 01:23:36,189
yeah and so the feeling's right and I

1661
01:23:44,969 --> 01:23:41,499
spun over turn on the the lamp to my

1662
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:44,979
left on the nightstand and when I went

1663
01:23:52,410 --> 01:23:49,170
back to the right dudes gone but my

1664
01:23:56,429 --> 01:23:52,420
intention maybe he knew that but my

1665
01:24:00,169 --> 01:23:56,439
intention was the opposite of compassion

1666
01:24:03,359 --> 01:24:00,179
it was more about warfare yeah I mean

1667
01:24:06,089 --> 01:24:03,369
what are they expecting you know if if

1668
01:24:11,790 --> 01:24:06,099
they scare the hell out of us and we're

1669
01:24:13,469 --> 01:24:11,800
not hostile we're crazy no of course

1670
01:24:16,310 --> 01:24:13,479
we're gonna be hostile I'm gonna be ours

1671
01:24:18,299 --> 01:24:16,320
hostile as hell right right right but

1672
01:24:21,569 --> 01:24:18,309
let's go back to the phones hi you're

1673
01:24:24,839 --> 01:24:21,579
live on fade to black who's calling

1674
01:24:27,270 --> 01:24:24,849
Cory hey Cory how are you man him good

1675
01:24:29,339 --> 01:24:27,280
how are you guys what do you think Cory

1676
01:24:35,459 --> 01:24:29,349
take it take a wild guess first two

1677
01:24:41,639 --> 01:24:35,469
don't count take three your first two

1678
01:24:44,399 --> 01:24:41,649
guests okay I had to be like quiet so

1679
01:24:47,669 --> 01:24:44,409
yes and you're doing good say say hi to

1680
01:24:51,149 --> 01:24:47,679
say had a Whitley Cory hi Whitley this

1681
01:24:56,369 --> 01:24:51,159
is so cool so I bought your book in 87

1682
01:25:01,020 --> 01:24:56,379
when I was like 10 years old okay that's

1683
01:25:03,359 --> 01:25:01,030
a bit young I read it but what I'd

1684
01:25:07,649 --> 01:25:03,369
really love to know is your relationship

1685
01:25:09,119 --> 01:25:07,659
with Amy how it's going and I mean I

1686
01:25:13,469 --> 01:25:09,129
know this sounds a little strange for

1687
01:25:17,339 --> 01:25:13,479
other rates not readers cuz I read but

1688
01:25:20,849 --> 01:25:17,349
other people who might not know about

1689
01:25:25,079 --> 01:25:20,859
the plan that you had with her before

1690
01:25:28,619 --> 01:25:25,089
wouldn't you well when you know that one

1691
01:25:30,719 --> 01:25:28,629
of you would yeah I do it well that's

1692
01:25:31,739 --> 01:25:30,729
right I'll tell about that I would love

1693
01:25:36,239 --> 01:25:31,749
to hear that

1694
01:25:41,540 --> 01:25:36,249
sure we back in that yeah back in the

1695
01:25:45,540 --> 01:25:41,550
90s we had an experience in the cabin

1696
01:25:47,849 --> 01:25:45,550
where some people started to show up and

1697
01:25:50,489 --> 01:25:47,859
meditate with me at night and they were

1698
01:25:53,250 --> 01:25:50,499
at times one of them actually became

1699
01:25:56,339 --> 01:25:53,260
physically physically visible and

1700
01:25:58,109 --> 01:25:56,349
touchable at one point I even smelled

1701
01:26:00,419 --> 01:25:58,119
his skin to see if he was real and he

1702
01:26:01,709 --> 01:26:00,429
was damn real he didn't obviously hadn't

1703
01:26:03,209 --> 01:26:01,719
bathed in a long time

1704
01:26:04,529 --> 01:26:03,219
he tells you something about the world

1705
01:26:07,829 --> 01:26:04,539
of the dead you might not want to know

1706
01:26:10,049 --> 01:26:07,839
in any case these people made it clear

1707
01:26:12,119 --> 01:26:10,059
that they were from life between lives

1708
01:26:20,790 --> 01:26:12,129
that they were going to come back into

1709
01:26:27,449 --> 01:26:20,800
this life and so we we just we decided

1710
01:26:30,329 --> 01:26:27,459
at that time that we would we all we had

1711
01:26:31,949 --> 01:26:30,339
seen and other people would see dead

1712
01:26:33,839 --> 01:26:31,959
people at the cabin when the visitors

1713
01:26:35,370 --> 01:26:33,849
were there we were getting all kinds of

1714
01:26:38,670 --> 01:26:35,380
letters about this Annie

1715
01:26:40,530 --> 01:26:38,680
said at one point this has something to

1716
01:26:43,290 --> 01:26:40,540
do with what we call death which was a

1717
01:26:45,810 --> 01:26:43,300
huge insight at the time and so we

1718
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:45,820
decided that one of us is gonna die

1719
01:26:51,420 --> 01:26:49,330
first right and the one with the worst

1720
01:26:54,660 --> 01:26:51,430
karma is the one that was gonna die

1721
01:26:58,260 --> 01:26:54,670
second believe me I that is true in any

1722
01:27:01,890 --> 01:26:58,270
case that the one who died first would

1723
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:01,900
come back but not to the one who was

1724
01:27:08,370 --> 01:27:04,690
still alive would come back to friends

1725
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:08,380
and contact them and tell the friends to

1726
01:27:14,550 --> 01:27:10,690
contact the person who was so alive in

1727
01:27:16,890 --> 01:27:14,560
the marriage because and we told no one

1728
01:27:19,230 --> 01:27:16,900
absolutely no one about this in fact

1729
01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:19,240
until Anne started doing it I had

1730
01:27:24,480 --> 01:27:21,280
actually forgotten it it wasn't it

1731
01:27:28,380 --> 01:27:24,490
wasn't even in my mind until 9:30 the

1732
01:27:30,990 --> 01:27:28,390
night didn't it was a few days before I

1733
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:31,000
remembered it but at 9:30 on the night

1734
01:27:39,210 --> 01:27:34,210
of Anne's death I was sitting in the

1735
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:39,220
living room and I was just devastated I

1736
01:27:46,230 --> 01:27:42,850
was sittin there devastated I would be -

1737
01:27:49,830 --> 01:27:46,240
yeah and I was saying in my mind Annie

1738
01:27:54,450 --> 01:27:49,840
if you're if you still exist please

1739
01:28:00,980 --> 01:27:54,460
please give me some kind of a sign the

1740
01:28:05,490 --> 01:28:00,990
phone rings it's a friend Bellefleur and

1741
01:28:07,430 --> 01:28:05,500
and she says Whitley I just had the

1742
01:28:10,410 --> 01:28:07,440
funniest thing happened is an alright

1743
01:28:16,860 --> 01:28:10,420
because I heard her say in my mind I'm

1744
01:28:21,630 --> 01:28:16,870
in my ear call Whitley and I said Bell

1745
01:28:24,150 --> 01:28:21,640
and died it's 7:15 there 7:45 and that

1746
01:28:25,950 --> 01:28:24,160
was the first one and there were a half

1747
01:28:30,750 --> 01:28:25,960
dozen of those calls it's all in the

1748
01:28:33,170 --> 01:28:30,760
afterlife revolution book and eventually

1749
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:33,180
at some point in the next week or so I

1750
01:28:39,140 --> 01:28:36,250
remembered what we had decided to do and

1751
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:39,150
I thought oh my god Annie is doing it

1752
01:28:45,020 --> 01:28:41,410
and that was just the beginning

1753
01:28:49,110 --> 01:28:45,030
it can't became this beautiful beautiful

1754
01:28:53,490 --> 01:28:49,120
exquisite thing and much more

1755
01:28:57,270 --> 01:28:53,500
to it than that and I left this you're

1756
01:28:59,160 --> 01:28:57,280
certain that the dead live we live on we

1757
01:29:03,660 --> 01:28:59,170
do not the body is not the end of the

1758
01:29:05,460 --> 01:29:03,670
story did you

1759
01:29:10,020 --> 01:29:05,470
Whitley let me jump in thank you for the

1760
01:29:11,670 --> 01:29:10,030
phone call Cory well he did yeah yeah

1761
01:29:17,250 --> 01:29:11,680
you can stay right there for a second

1762
01:29:20,130 --> 01:29:17,260
sure but did you did of course is

1763
01:29:23,430 --> 01:29:20,140
probably impossible but it did it calm

1764
01:29:24,930 --> 01:29:23,440
you down did you get some relief you

1765
01:29:29,460 --> 01:29:24,940
know because it was the most moving

1766
01:29:30,570 --> 01:29:29,470
thing that I can imagine it was so

1767
01:29:33,780 --> 01:29:30,580
moving

1768
01:29:38,250 --> 01:29:33,790
I mean my love affair with my wife is

1769
01:29:40,770 --> 01:29:38,260
still the center of my life I'm sitting

1770
01:29:42,390 --> 01:29:40,780
here with both rings one on my my ring

1771
01:29:45,030 --> 01:29:42,400
is on my ring finger and her ring is

1772
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:45,040
beside it on my pinky finger because the

1773
01:29:51,140 --> 01:29:47,050
way I look at it now we're still married

1774
01:29:53,550 --> 01:29:51,150
only we only have one body between us it

1775
01:29:59,100 --> 01:29:53,560
happens to be the one I run most of the

1776
01:30:00,600 --> 01:29:59,110
time Cory thank you so much man and

1777
01:30:01,260 --> 01:30:00,610
enjoy the rest of your night Thank You

1778
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:01,270
Jimmy

1779
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:03,850
thank you Whitley you rocked my world

1780
01:30:15,090 --> 01:30:11,530
tonight oh well yes absolutely is it and

1781
01:30:17,610 --> 01:30:15,100
I just just a one last question but I

1782
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:17,620
know you don't like that what about the

1783
01:30:27,210 --> 01:30:23,170
white the white the way off the white

1784
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:27,220
water oh no it was a moss and it it

1785
01:30:40,770 --> 01:30:31,690
would show up at a incredible

1786
01:30:42,990 --> 01:30:40,780
opportunity North Carolina giving a

1787
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:43,000
lecture about an and about our

1788
01:30:48,830 --> 01:30:45,250
experiences together that one of the

1789
01:30:50,910 --> 01:30:48,840
first times it happened and the

1790
01:30:52,980 --> 01:30:50,920
surveillance cameras were on in the

1791
01:30:57,660 --> 01:30:52,990
apartment I mean you can you know I'm

1792
01:31:00,630 --> 01:30:57,670
camera DUP of course and not that it

1793
01:31:02,549 --> 01:31:00,640
helps I've never gotten a damn single

1794
01:31:05,009 --> 01:31:02,559
frame of the visitors and all

1795
01:31:09,809 --> 01:31:05,019
years anyway that's neither here nor

1796
01:31:12,119 --> 01:31:09,819
there and the white moth flies across

1797
01:31:14,909 --> 01:31:12,129
just as I mention Anne's name and a text

1798
01:31:18,209 --> 01:31:14,919
comes in to my phone saying that there's

1799
01:31:20,459 --> 01:31:18,219
movement and I look at the text after

1800
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:20,469
the lecture and just at the moment when

1801
01:31:26,750 --> 01:31:23,050
I was saying Anne's name it flew across

1802
01:31:31,219 --> 01:31:26,760
the field of cameras field of vision and

1803
01:31:34,770 --> 01:31:31,229
what's important about this is that any

1804
01:31:37,559 --> 01:31:34,780
two things had happened in January

1805
01:31:42,119 --> 01:31:37,569
before she died and he probably already

1806
01:31:45,299 --> 01:31:42,129
knew she was a very advanced soul and

1807
01:31:48,389 --> 01:31:45,309
she probably already knew she was gonna

1808
01:31:50,879 --> 01:31:48,399
die and she maybe knew exactly when but

1809
01:31:54,239 --> 01:31:50,889
she began to get me to memorize a

1810
01:31:56,609 --> 01:31:54,249
certain poem by Ruby Yeats called song

1811
01:31:58,109 --> 01:31:56,619
of a wandering Aengus and she wanted me

1812
01:32:00,509 --> 01:31:58,119
to memorize that and when I couldn't

1813
01:32:01,919 --> 01:32:00,519
memorize it at first she cried and she

1814
01:32:03,540 --> 01:32:01,929
didn't usually crying that's alright

1815
01:32:06,709 --> 01:32:03,550
yeah I did I remember as I know it by

1816
01:32:09,839 --> 01:32:06,719
heart it's it is in my heart now and

1817
01:32:11,819 --> 01:32:09,849
after I died and the white moth started

1818
01:32:13,469 --> 01:32:11,829
to appear and I thought I thought about

1819
01:32:16,169 --> 01:32:13,479
the poem there are lines in the poem

1820
01:32:19,500 --> 01:32:16,179
about a white moth and then I thought to

1821
01:32:22,169 --> 01:32:19,510
myself well wait a minute her favorite

1822
01:32:25,409 --> 01:32:22,179
short story of mine was called the white

1823
01:32:28,139 --> 01:32:25,419
moths and it's about a woman who dies

1824
01:32:31,679 --> 01:32:28,149
and this in and discovers that she is

1825
01:32:36,959 --> 01:32:31,689
dead and I realized that this is it was

1826
01:32:41,609 --> 01:32:36,969
all built by my wife in this life to be

1827
01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:41,619
a signal for me that she would send back

1828
01:32:48,540 --> 01:32:45,449
after she denied and that the lines are

1829
01:32:50,189 --> 01:32:48,550
when white moths are I can I I don't

1830
01:32:52,949 --> 01:32:50,199
know say the whole poem tonight although

1831
01:32:55,619 --> 01:32:52,959
it's very short when white moths are on

1832
01:32:59,369 --> 01:32:55,629
the wing and the moth-like stars are

1833
01:33:02,040 --> 01:32:59,379
flickering out that is those are the two

1834
01:33:05,819 --> 01:33:02,050
lines in the poem and then there's the

1835
01:33:09,509 --> 01:33:05,829
story the white moths and then the white

1836
01:33:11,399 --> 01:33:09,519
moth would come at incredibly opportune

1837
01:33:16,410 --> 01:33:11,409
times like I was telling giving a

1838
01:33:18,810 --> 01:33:16,420
lecture about an before 20 or 30 people

1839
01:33:20,700 --> 01:33:18,820
and then they go up to the lunchroom at

1840
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:20,710
Esalen Institute in Northern California

1841
01:33:25,770 --> 01:33:22,449
and they're sitting there all at a table

1842
01:33:29,729 --> 01:33:25,780
talking and the white moth comes and

1843
01:33:33,090 --> 01:33:29,739
flies in circles in February around the

1844
01:33:35,729 --> 01:33:33,100
table and then just disappears then

1845
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:35,739
we're having a final that we're - it's a

1846
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:38,770
conference a five-day conference we're

1847
01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:40,810
having the final conference banquet

1848
01:33:46,290 --> 01:33:43,330
we're all sitting together we're talking

1849
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:46,300
about the conference and someone's

1850
01:33:50,700 --> 01:33:48,730
talking about the white moth and how it

1851
01:33:54,180 --> 01:33:50,710
came to the table and how cool that was

1852
01:33:55,950 --> 01:33:54,190
and how unlikely and you know they're

1853
01:33:58,530 --> 01:33:55,960
mostly academics and scientists they're

1854
01:34:00,810 --> 01:33:58,540
not really people who sort of expect

1855
01:34:03,330 --> 01:34:00,820
experiences like that and all of a

1856
01:34:06,090 --> 01:34:03,340
sudden here's the white moth again up in

1857
01:34:08,850 --> 01:34:06,100
front of the whole conference all the

1858
01:34:12,209 --> 01:34:08,860
people at the banquet flying around the

1859
01:34:15,270 --> 01:34:12,219
banquet room and then it not only that

1860
01:34:18,450 --> 01:34:15,280
there's a podcast on my on my website

1861
01:34:21,750 --> 01:34:18,460
unknown country calm by Jeremy vanie

1862
01:34:23,189 --> 01:34:21,760
and it started in 2014 and and was crazy

1863
01:34:25,950 --> 01:34:23,199
about Jeremy she thought he was

1864
01:34:30,930 --> 01:34:25,960
brilliant the white moth he's there at

1865
01:34:33,410 --> 01:34:30,940
this conference lands on his head and we

1866
01:34:37,260 --> 01:34:33,420
take pictures of the white moth on

1867
01:34:40,770 --> 01:34:37,270
Jeremy's head then it takes off flies

1868
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:40,780
toward the big rock fireplace and it's

1869
01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:46,690
just gone gone tremendous this is and

1870
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:48,130
you know they're people I've heard some

1871
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:51,489
kind of creepy podcasters laughing about

1872
01:34:57,660 --> 01:34:54,130
you know he thought a bug was something

1873
01:35:01,800 --> 01:34:57,670
or other and it's a real thing and it's

1874
01:35:05,669 --> 01:35:01,810
very beautiful it's very beautiful the

1875
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:05,679
beauty of that of the dead trying to

1876
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:09,370
come back to us and to tell us that

1877
01:35:18,300 --> 01:35:13,410
there is a bridge is a beautiful thing

1878
01:35:21,540 --> 01:35:18,310
it's to be respected and not ignored and

1879
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:21,550
not ignored no and that you know chief

1880
01:35:27,410 --> 01:35:23,530
the first one of the first things I

1881
01:35:28,959 --> 01:35:27,420
heard from her after she passed away was

1882
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:28,969
it

1883
01:35:35,860 --> 01:35:31,210
looks from here like you're all

1884
01:35:37,900 --> 01:35:35,870
intentionally ignoring us tremendous

1885
01:35:43,570 --> 01:35:37,910
asset yeah it is as tremendous it's

1886
01:35:47,410 --> 01:35:43,580
powerful and I can't if it's there so

1887
01:35:50,830 --> 01:35:47,420
many and I was guilty of this it ignore

1888
01:35:56,740 --> 01:35:50,840
things and if you take the time to just

1889
01:35:59,500 --> 01:35:56,750
stop and and recognize what what may be

1890
01:36:01,990 --> 01:35:59,510
happening that's the beauty of it all so

1891
01:36:02,430 --> 01:36:02,000
many of us allow it just to to pass us

1892
01:36:07,689 --> 01:36:02,440
by

1893
01:36:11,170 --> 01:36:07,699
yeah we live we we we don't live we let

1894
01:36:13,959 --> 01:36:11,180
life pass by you got to live you gotta

1895
01:36:16,180 --> 01:36:13,969
you got to capture the moment but you

1896
01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:16,190
got to you have to you have to you have

1897
01:36:22,590 --> 01:36:19,570
to and life is full of those types of

1898
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:22,600
synchronicities and contact and and

1899
01:36:29,530 --> 01:36:26,330
conversation and you don't take the time

1900
01:36:31,510 --> 01:36:29,540
and so the the other part Whitley and

1901
01:36:33,430 --> 01:36:31,520
everybody that's on hold I'll get to you

1902
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:33,440
in 30 seconds just let me get this

1903
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:36,290
thought out there are so many out there

1904
01:36:46,870 --> 01:36:41,890
that don't don't live a life of wonder

1905
01:36:49,990 --> 01:36:46,880
they live a life of 2d wake up go to bed

1906
01:36:52,090 --> 01:36:50,000
and that's all there is to life and I

1907
01:36:55,390 --> 01:36:52,100
don't want to go down that road you know

1908
01:36:57,070 --> 01:36:55,400
to stop just stop slow it down and and

1909
01:36:57,580 --> 01:36:57,080
recognize what may be happening around

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01:36:59,709 --> 01:36:57,590
you

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01:37:00,820 --> 01:36:59,719
let's let's go back to the phones hi

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01:37:01,390 --> 01:37:00,830
you're live on fade to black who's

1913
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:01,400
calling

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01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:05,690
i Jimmy it's Brian hello Whitley the

1915
01:37:11,010 --> 01:37:08,810
great converse absolutely Brian

1916
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:11,020
absolutely what's on your mind tonight

1917
01:37:19,330 --> 01:37:14,330
well I I wanted to ask Whitley hi

1918
01:37:21,250 --> 01:37:19,340
Whitley I wanted to ask yes I think over

1919
01:37:25,630 --> 01:37:21,260
the last couple of months I think I've

1920
01:37:30,490 --> 01:37:25,640
heard you discuss briefly meditation and

1921
01:37:33,910 --> 01:37:30,500
I was wondering if you thought that your

1922
01:37:36,790 --> 01:37:33,920
meditation practice over I guess I don't

1923
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:36,800
know what that is but how's that do you

1924
01:37:43,179 --> 01:37:41,210
think that's affected any of this yeah

1925
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:43,189
it's the center of everything

1926
01:37:46,449 --> 01:37:45,050
if that hadn't done that had that

1927
01:37:52,290 --> 01:37:46,459
practice none of this would have

1928
01:37:54,339 --> 01:37:52,300
happened I was and and if folks if you

1929
01:37:57,339 --> 01:37:54,349
want to learn about it

1930
01:37:58,629 --> 01:37:57,349
the it's it's in a new world in detail

1931
01:38:01,390 --> 01:37:58,639
you learn everything you need to know

1932
01:38:03,729 --> 01:38:01,400
about it and also how to take it further

1933
01:38:05,919 --> 01:38:03,739
everything and without spending any

1934
01:38:08,020 --> 01:38:05,929
money because it doesn't cost anything

1935
01:38:10,679 --> 01:38:08,030
it's easy to do and you can learn it in

1936
01:38:14,049 --> 01:38:10,689
five minutes you just have to keep at it

1937
01:38:17,890 --> 01:38:14,059
but I yeah it's it's it's called the

1938
01:38:19,419 --> 01:38:17,900
sensing exercise and I do it at 11:00 at

1939
01:38:22,449 --> 01:38:19,429
night and at 3:00 in the morning every

1940
01:38:24,250 --> 01:38:22,459
night oh yeah

1941
01:38:29,620 --> 01:38:24,260
what now were you doing meditation

1942
01:38:32,020 --> 01:38:29,630
before yes I started in 1970 and okay

1943
01:38:35,169 --> 01:38:32,030
and unfortunately I know that half year

1944
01:38:37,359 --> 01:38:35,179
of you were say gee in 1970 I didn't

1945
01:38:40,060 --> 01:38:37,369
even exist but there were people around

1946
01:38:42,819 --> 01:38:40,070
then not many but we were there and I

1947
01:38:45,699 --> 01:38:42,829
said doing meditation starting in April

1948
01:38:47,469 --> 01:38:45,709
of 1970 and I've been doing it pretty

1949
01:38:50,790 --> 01:38:47,479
much every night since I mean I

1950
01:38:54,219 --> 01:38:50,800
obviously missed a few nights but I

1951
01:38:55,989 --> 01:38:54,229
basically do it pretty much every every

1952
01:38:58,149 --> 01:38:55,999
night and I I've done it sometimes

1953
01:39:02,890 --> 01:38:58,159
during the day and I do it sometimes in

1954
01:39:06,189 --> 01:39:02,900
the day and as well but I do it a lot

1955
01:39:09,129 --> 01:39:06,199
actually yeah okay little thank you I

1956
01:39:11,830 --> 01:39:09,139
was I I was really interested in that I

1957
01:39:15,370 --> 01:39:11,840
know I let me let me explain to you why

1958
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:15,380
it why it causes this to happen because

1959
01:39:20,469 --> 01:39:18,530
I do know that it wouldn't you place the

1960
01:39:23,500 --> 01:39:20,479
attention I call it the sensing exercise

1961
01:39:26,259 --> 01:39:23,510
in the and you in the you can find out

1962
01:39:29,529 --> 01:39:26,269
all that in the book the you place your

1963
01:39:31,089 --> 01:39:29,539
attention on your body and something

1964
01:39:32,500 --> 01:39:31,099
changes because your attention is

1965
01:39:34,810 --> 01:39:32,510
usually going out into the world around

1966
01:39:36,429 --> 01:39:34,820
you all of a sudden your attention is

1967
01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:36,439
split between the world around you and

1968
01:39:42,189 --> 01:39:39,530
your body and it's a bigger attention

1969
01:39:45,100 --> 01:39:42,199
and your body responds to it your

1970
01:39:47,319 --> 01:39:45,110
nervous system responds to it and in the

1971
01:39:49,839 --> 01:39:47,329
other level of reality where our dead

1972
01:39:52,839 --> 01:39:49,849
are and where the visitors apparently

1973
01:39:56,500 --> 01:39:52,849
mostly are they can see the change

1974
01:39:58,240 --> 01:39:56,510
you literally glow and

1975
01:40:01,000 --> 01:39:58,250
that was why right after and he died I

1976
01:40:04,090 --> 01:40:01,010
went to a conference with William Henry

1977
01:40:05,590 --> 01:40:04,100
in Nashville and this lady came up to me

1978
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:05,600
and said Mr Streep you the strangest

1979
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:07,370
thing just happened I heard and voice

1980
01:40:12,510 --> 01:40:09,530
right in my ear she had been to our

1981
01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:12,520
conferences she and her dad on the radio

1982
01:40:17,710 --> 01:40:15,530
she said tell Whitley I can see him when

1983
01:40:19,780 --> 01:40:17,720
he's in the chair and I realized

1984
01:40:21,430 --> 01:40:19,790
immediately what that meant it was when

1985
01:40:25,660 --> 01:40:21,440
I was doing the sensing exercise because

1986
01:40:27,460 --> 01:40:25,670
I'd do it in a chair and since then it

1987
01:40:29,590 --> 01:40:27,470
has also been the foundation of my

1988
01:40:32,650 --> 01:40:29,600
continued relationship with and it is

1989
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:32,660
the foundation and the key to having a

1990
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:34,250
relationship with this other level of

1991
01:40:38,410 --> 01:40:35,930
reality I'm absolutely convinced of it

1992
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:38,420
and you don't need any incense any fancy

1993
01:40:46,150 --> 01:40:43,370
music any super complex ways of

1994
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:46,160
meditation or anything it's just the

1995
01:40:52,870 --> 01:40:48,970
simplest darn thing in the world

1996
01:40:54,460 --> 01:40:52,880
I totally I totally agree I I guess it

1997
01:40:57,460 --> 01:40:54,470
it kind of triggered me a little bit

1998
01:40:59,860 --> 01:40:57,470
when you were talking about Pine Ridge

1999
01:41:03,370 --> 01:40:59,870
and I wondered if that's why you were

2000
01:41:05,110 --> 01:41:03,380
sensitive to what was happening there I

2001
01:41:06,820 --> 01:41:05,120
think it's why I'm sensitive to all of

2002
01:41:09,970 --> 01:41:06,830
this stuff and when I was at Pine Ridge

2003
01:41:13,450 --> 01:41:09,980
and this was happening I I thought my

2004
01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:13,460
god can I get into this I want I want to

2005
01:41:18,130 --> 01:41:16,370
go across the barrier so I tried I did a

2006
01:41:20,770 --> 01:41:18,140
sensing exercise and I couldn't it

2007
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:20,780
didn't help I could not walk into the

2008
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:23,410
other universe I sure as hell tried

2009
01:41:26,410 --> 01:41:25,010
there you go

2010
01:41:29,230 --> 01:41:26,420
Brian thank you for the phone call

2011
01:41:31,510 --> 01:41:29,240
Thanks thank you gentlemen Gobekli tap

2012
01:41:33,250 --> 01:41:31,520
you're gonna go badly tap you guys

2013
01:41:36,250 --> 01:41:33,260
that's what I'm talking about thank you

2014
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:36,260
Brian and let's see I'm looking at the

2015
01:41:40,870 --> 01:41:38,330
clock let's get one more calling before

2016
01:41:43,510 --> 01:41:40,880
the bottom of the hour hi you're live on

2017
01:41:45,670 --> 01:41:43,520
fader black who's calling hi Jimmy it's

2018
01:41:48,220 --> 01:41:45,680
difference a comment oh hi Deb say hi to

2019
01:41:50,770 --> 01:41:48,230
Whitney hi hi Whitley thank you for

2020
01:41:57,190 --> 01:41:50,780
being on the show oh thank you for

2021
01:41:59,050 --> 01:41:57,200
calling yeah I called you mentioned that

2022
01:42:03,190 --> 01:41:59,060
your foundation basically it was

2023
01:42:04,660 --> 01:42:03,200
Christianity and and because you

2024
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:04,670
mentioned it I feel comfortable asking

2025
01:42:09,820 --> 01:42:06,890
the question I've heard a lot of people

2026
01:42:10,390 --> 01:42:09,830
say that when entities come into their

2027
01:42:12,460 --> 01:42:10,400
room

2028
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:12,470
and they're frightened they it they call

2029
01:42:18,670 --> 01:42:15,530
out on Jesus Christ and when they do it

2030
01:42:20,380 --> 01:42:18,680
immediately everything stops the beings

2031
01:42:21,730 --> 01:42:20,390
disappear they don't have anymore

2032
01:42:24,160 --> 01:42:21,740
problems and then I've heard other

2033
01:42:26,950 --> 01:42:24,170
people say the opposite that they've

2034
01:42:28,830 --> 01:42:26,960
called out on Jesus and it doesn't

2035
01:42:33,070 --> 01:42:28,840
change a thing nothing happens and

2036
01:42:35,580 --> 01:42:33,080
literally in the I'm sorry can you hear

2037
01:42:38,680 --> 01:42:35,590
me yes yeah both things happen I say it

2038
01:42:40,900 --> 01:42:38,690
right in in the early days in your

2039
01:42:43,870 --> 01:42:40,910
experience because of your foundation

2040
01:42:45,640 --> 01:42:43,880
did you ever do anything like that did

2041
01:42:49,030 --> 01:42:45,650
you call out on Jesus to make them go

2042
01:42:51,100 --> 01:42:49,040
away because it was negative I don't

2043
01:42:53,530 --> 01:42:51,110
want him to go away I'm too curious I

2044
01:42:57,730 --> 01:42:53,540
never want away I just didn't like the

2045
01:42:59,500 --> 01:42:57,740
way they were treating me I changed but

2046
01:43:02,230 --> 01:42:59,510
I've tried to change and pretty much

2047
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:02,240
have changed I never wanted them to go

2048
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:03,770
away I wouldn't want them to go away at

2049
01:43:10,630 --> 01:43:06,410
all I mean for goodness sakes they're

2050
01:43:13,420 --> 01:43:10,640
non-human and they're here I know I want

2051
01:43:19,450 --> 01:43:13,430
it I want to know more I'm not concerned

2052
01:43:20,710 --> 01:43:19,460
about you know the are they demons or

2053
01:43:24,310 --> 01:43:20,720
angels or anything that doesn't even

2054
01:43:25,990 --> 01:43:24,320
concern me I'm only interested in what

2055
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:26,000
can I get out of this and what can I

2056
01:43:33,880 --> 01:43:32,090
learn and and if that means I'm being

2057
01:43:36,670 --> 01:43:33,890
foolish and I get into trouble and

2058
01:43:39,040 --> 01:43:36,680
something happens to me then fine I'm

2059
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:39,050
going down this road with the full

2060
01:43:43,540 --> 01:43:40,930
knowledge that it could be dangerous

2061
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:43,550
and I'm going down it because I want to

2062
01:43:46,780 --> 01:43:45,770
and I'm loving it I'm loving every

2063
01:43:50,590 --> 01:43:46,790
minute of it in fact

2064
01:43:52,930 --> 01:43:50,600
now as to whether or not calling on

2065
01:43:57,160 --> 01:43:52,940
Jesus will help here's what I know about

2066
01:44:00,160 --> 01:43:57,170
this when people do this it is a signal

2067
01:44:04,300 --> 01:44:00,170
to the visitors that they are not ready

2068
01:44:06,460 --> 01:44:04,310
and they will usually leave because they

2069
01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:06,470
know that we're not going to get any

2070
01:44:10,060 --> 01:44:08,090
further here if we're not going to get

2071
01:44:13,900 --> 01:44:10,070
into any further communication with this

2072
01:44:16,540 --> 01:44:13,910
individual if they have to stay if the

2073
01:44:18,160 --> 01:44:16,550
person has something that they need or

2074
01:44:20,020 --> 01:44:18,170
something like that they will just

2075
01:44:22,450 --> 01:44:20,030
ignore that and continue to do what

2076
01:44:23,859 --> 01:44:22,460
they're doing that's my impression of

2077
01:44:26,950 --> 01:44:23,869
this

2078
01:44:30,339 --> 01:44:26,960
in other words the power of the of the

2079
01:44:33,550 --> 01:44:30,349
of the prayer is not actually relevant

2080
01:44:36,970 --> 01:44:33,560
to the situation what is relevant to the

2081
01:44:39,669 --> 01:44:36,980
situation is the strength and and and

2082
01:44:42,939 --> 01:44:39,679
dignity of your own soul if you're

2083
01:44:45,640 --> 01:44:42,949
working hard to build a good soul you

2084
01:44:47,830 --> 01:44:45,650
will be treated with respect and if

2085
01:44:49,780 --> 01:44:47,840
you're not then you know you're just

2086
01:44:52,720 --> 01:44:49,790
living a life and you're screwing around

2087
01:44:56,979 --> 01:44:52,730
and indifferent to the needs of others

2088
01:45:00,430 --> 01:44:56,989
and not sensitive to them and not giving

2089
01:45:02,589 --> 01:45:00,440
your life to to others in the way we

2090
01:45:04,589 --> 01:45:02,599
were taught then they're gonna treat you

2091
01:45:10,859 --> 01:45:04,599
right just like you treat everybody else

2092
01:45:17,649 --> 01:45:14,979
yeah thank you I appreciate your opinion

2093
01:45:20,379 --> 01:45:17,659
I told you what you wanted to hear but

2094
01:45:22,270 --> 01:45:20,389
this is what I understand no I I

2095
01:45:24,040 --> 01:45:22,280
basically agree and I have to say your

2096
01:45:26,530 --> 01:45:24,050
book communion was the scariest book

2097
01:45:28,979 --> 01:45:26,540
I've ever read in my life I don't you

2098
01:45:31,479 --> 01:45:28,989
think your intention was to scare people

2099
01:45:33,129 --> 01:45:31,489
trusting a very compelling I loved the

2100
01:45:34,959 --> 01:45:33,139
way it was written because it really

2101
01:45:36,640 --> 01:45:34,969
communicated the reality of what you

2102
01:45:40,270 --> 01:45:36,650
went through and I had to sleep the

2103
01:45:42,459 --> 01:45:40,280
light on for months I recommend it to

2104
01:45:44,530 --> 01:45:42,469
people if they want a little little dose

2105
01:45:47,830 --> 01:45:44,540
of reality it was excellent

2106
01:45:51,310 --> 01:45:47,840
well thanks well I am here 30 years

2107
01:45:53,229 --> 01:45:51,320
later and they are still here too and we

2108
01:45:57,160 --> 01:45:53,239
are doing this together and it is much

2109
01:45:57,850 --> 01:45:57,170
changed yeah yeah thank you for the

2110
01:46:00,669 --> 01:45:57,860
phone call

2111
01:46:02,830 --> 01:46:00,679
great question absolutely okay guys take

2112
01:46:06,189 --> 01:46:02,840
care great night

2113
01:46:09,459 --> 01:46:06,199
hey Whitley I'm not ready to stop can I

2114
01:46:13,330 --> 01:46:09,469
keep you for one more segment yeah

2115
01:46:16,419 --> 01:46:13,340
that'll be $15 $15 check is in the mail

2116
01:46:17,470 --> 01:46:16,429
check is in there one more segment sure

2117
01:46:21,609 --> 01:46:17,480
yeah let's do this

2118
01:46:25,300 --> 01:46:21,619
and when we come back I actually want to

2119
01:46:27,550 --> 01:46:25,310
continue the religious side of this

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conversation and so I'm not it's

2121
01:46:31,149 --> 01:46:29,900
important it is what we one of the one

2122
01:46:33,970 --> 01:46:31,159
of the most important things that we

2123
01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:33,980
have to bring to this let's take a quick

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01:46:37,209 --> 01:46:35,570
break our guest tonight Whitley Strieber

2125
01:46:39,850 --> 01:46:37,219
night three of our open lines

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here on fade to black the call-in number

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it's an easy one seven four seven two

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two eight two zero five one stay right

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[Music]

2130
01:47:01,700 --> 01:46:59,630
welcome back feed the block I'm your

2131
01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:01,710
Jimmy Church our guest tonight Whitley

2132
01:47:06,020 --> 01:47:03,810
Strieber this is night three of our open

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01:47:07,340 --> 01:47:06,030
lines week I'm paid to block I want to

2134
01:47:10,100 --> 01:47:07,350
remind everybody tomorrow night

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01:47:11,570 --> 01:47:10,110
completing the week is Richard Dolan he

2136
01:47:14,120 --> 01:47:11,580
will be here taking your calls tomorrow

2137
01:47:15,470 --> 01:47:14,130
night helping me man the phones tonight

2138
01:47:19,460 --> 01:47:15,480
it's Whitley we're going into some

2139
01:47:22,550 --> 01:47:19,470
overtime and right before the brass as

2140
01:47:25,480 --> 01:47:22,560
this cut there's two things or three

2141
01:47:29,620 --> 01:47:25,490
themes that have gone through tonight

2142
01:47:32,900 --> 01:47:29,630
and I really appreciate the audience and

2143
01:47:35,810 --> 01:47:32,910
the how do I say this

2144
01:47:38,210 --> 01:47:35,820
everybody has got these same thoughts on

2145
01:47:41,540 --> 01:47:38,220
their mind and religion is something

2146
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:41,550
that constantly comes up and with that

2147
01:47:48,260 --> 01:47:44,010
Whitley one word one we're talking about

2148
01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:48,270
Jesus or invoking I mean is if we look

2149
01:47:54,010 --> 01:47:51,810
at the universe and the concept of

2150
01:47:58,220 --> 01:47:54,020
religion it doesn't matter which one but

2151
01:48:02,810 --> 01:47:58,230
religion is universal so if if you and I

2152
01:48:04,100 --> 01:48:02,820
Whitley go to another planet is Jesus

2153
01:48:07,580 --> 01:48:04,110
there - right

2154
01:48:11,330 --> 01:48:07,590
is God a part of their culture and if we

2155
01:48:14,210 --> 01:48:11,340
invoke Jesus's name with the

2156
01:48:16,930 --> 01:48:14,220
confrontation do they know what were

2157
01:48:20,270 --> 01:48:16,940
taught or who we're talking about I

2158
01:48:26,230 --> 01:48:20,280
don't know I don't know that but what I

2159
01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:26,240
do know is this that Jesus is part of us

2160
01:48:35,000 --> 01:48:30,090
he is Jesus is part of Western culture

2161
01:48:40,130 --> 01:48:35,010
primarily and part of us in the sense

2162
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:40,140
that the sayings of Jesus lay down a way

2163
01:48:48,350 --> 01:48:44,570
of living and a way of being that

2164
01:48:52,490 --> 01:48:48,360
changes you and opens you to the needs

2165
01:48:59,600 --> 01:48:52,500
of others in ways that really are very

2166
01:49:02,510 --> 01:48:59,610
pure very pure but this modern religion

2167
01:49:06,920 --> 01:49:02,520
that missplanit is got all kinds of

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01:49:09,290 --> 01:49:06,930
powerful religions on it and the Native

2169
01:49:11,220 --> 01:49:09,300
American religion is incredibly powerful

2170
01:49:14,070 --> 01:49:11,230
I've experienced it just just like

2171
01:49:17,610 --> 01:49:14,080
summer one of their rituals and was

2172
01:49:24,030 --> 01:49:17,620
among the most beautiful and powerful

2173
01:49:28,530 --> 01:49:24,040
things I've ever known and in in Islam

2174
01:49:30,870 --> 01:49:28,540
and Hinduism in all of the religions

2175
01:49:35,390 --> 01:49:30,880
there's power and Buddhism there's great

2176
01:49:39,510 --> 01:49:35,400
power and energy the master of the ki

2177
01:49:45,150 --> 01:49:39,520
looked at Buddhism and Islam and

2178
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:45,160
Christianity as three different poles of

2179
01:49:55,229 --> 01:49:50,010
the same religion that Buddhism was the

2180
01:49:58,940 --> 01:49:55,239
the the at right was a triad Buddhism

2181
01:50:02,010 --> 01:49:58,950
was the passive force in the triad

2182
01:50:04,590 --> 01:50:02,020
Islam the active force and Christianity

2183
01:50:06,150 --> 01:50:04,600
the reconciling force in the Triad he

2184
01:50:08,580 --> 01:50:06,160
talks about that in the key and it's

2185
01:50:14,070 --> 01:50:08,590
really very interesting because it takes

2186
01:50:16,920 --> 01:50:14,080
you to a point where you are beyond the

2187
01:50:20,370 --> 01:50:16,930
idea that one religion is the only

2188
01:50:22,860 --> 01:50:20,380
religion Danny said something that's

2189
01:50:25,020 --> 01:50:22,870
very important I think especially when

2190
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:25,030
it comes to religion she said the human

2191
01:50:30,600 --> 01:50:28,090
species is too young for beliefs what we

2192
01:50:32,070 --> 01:50:30,610
need are good questions and what she was

2193
01:50:34,860 --> 01:50:32,080
saying there is that there's no ground

2194
01:50:41,700 --> 01:50:34,870
of truth here there we don't know for

2195
01:50:44,670 --> 01:50:41,710
certain anything at all and therefore if

2196
01:50:47,540 --> 01:50:44,680
you say my belief is better than your

2197
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:47,550
belief you're already lying to yourself

2198
01:50:54,150 --> 01:50:51,850
because in fact your faith is just as

2199
01:50:55,800 --> 01:50:54,160
valid as the other man's faith even

2200
01:50:59,479 --> 01:50:55,810
though his faith is completely different

2201
01:51:03,090 --> 01:50:59,489
your faiths are equal when Jesus says

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01:51:05,820 --> 01:51:03,100
everyone is equal in the kingdom that's

2203
01:51:07,470 --> 01:51:05,830
he's talking about a level of equality

2204
01:51:11,130 --> 01:51:07,480
that we don't even think about we think

2205
01:51:13,320 --> 01:51:11,140
of Oh some vague thing where the the the

2206
01:51:15,390 --> 01:51:13,330
guy pushing a broom is actually equal to

2207
01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:15,400
the Queen of England or whatever mm-hmm

2208
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:17,650
but the this level of equality at the

2209
01:51:24,510 --> 01:51:21,370
soul level this is different this means

2210
01:51:28,020 --> 01:51:24,520
that every man's faith

2211
01:51:31,620 --> 01:51:28,030
is just as valuable as every other man's

2212
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:31,630
faith every woman's faith no matter what

2213
01:51:39,200 --> 01:51:34,810
their faith is and if they have no faith

2214
01:51:41,270 --> 01:51:39,210
they are still just as precious as

2215
01:51:46,230 --> 01:51:41,280
anyone else

2216
01:51:50,250 --> 01:51:46,240
God does not see these differences you

2217
01:51:53,160 --> 01:51:50,260
wrote one time one of the one of the

2218
01:51:55,890 --> 01:51:53,170
more moving things that you wrote about

2219
01:52:01,590 --> 01:51:55,900
you when you were in the cabin and the

2220
01:52:05,460 --> 01:52:01,600
lights appeared outside and and the the

2221
01:52:08,850 --> 01:52:05,470
light being was there and and you saw in

2222
01:52:11,010 --> 01:52:08,860
years past that same experience that

2223
01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:11,020
that you wrote about that you went

2224
01:52:15,870 --> 01:52:14,410
through a thousand years ago or two

2225
01:52:18,630 --> 01:52:15,880
thousand years ago five hundred years

2226
01:52:21,510 --> 01:52:18,640
ago is that a religious experience right

2227
01:52:23,670 --> 01:52:21,520
is that something that you could make it

2228
01:52:24,900 --> 01:52:23,680
really it probably a thousand years ago

2229
01:52:26,190 --> 01:52:24,910
or five hundred years ago it would have

2230
01:52:30,420 --> 01:52:26,200
been interpreted as a religious

2231
01:52:32,280 --> 01:52:30,430
experience right but that's that's not

2232
01:52:33,840 --> 01:52:32,290
how we are now in other words we don't

2233
01:52:37,020 --> 01:52:33,850
see that necessarily see the world

2234
01:52:39,570 --> 01:52:37,030
through that lens what I saw there and

2235
01:52:43,230 --> 01:52:39,580
folks what happened was that I had been

2236
01:52:46,200 --> 01:52:43,240
meditating for about six months I guess

2237
01:52:48,840 --> 01:52:46,210
with these people that had been from the

2238
01:52:50,340 --> 01:52:48,850
between the worlds and they were you

2239
01:52:52,110 --> 01:52:50,350
know they were they were sort of they

2240
01:52:53,460 --> 01:52:52,120
could be very physical they were sort of

2241
01:52:55,980 --> 01:52:53,470
semi physical and they would come

2242
01:52:57,690 --> 01:52:55,990
crashing down on the roof above the

2243
01:52:59,820 --> 01:52:57,700
meditation room which is try first

2244
01:53:01,920 --> 01:52:59,830
noticed them and then they would be

2245
01:53:03,570 --> 01:53:01,930
around me and I couldn't see him which

2246
01:53:05,820 --> 01:53:03,580
you know go figure but that's sort of

2247
01:53:07,350 --> 01:53:05,830
the name of the game here mm-hmm one

2248
01:53:10,410 --> 01:53:07,360
night Annie came in because she could

2249
01:53:13,590 --> 01:53:10,420
hear him they'd shake the whole house

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01:53:15,390 --> 01:53:13,600
when they came and she sits down in

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01:53:17,700 --> 01:53:15,400
there she says okay she said I you know

2252
01:53:19,500 --> 01:53:17,710
I'm gonna do this this is so exceptional

2253
01:53:21,780 --> 01:53:19,510
what this is happening every night at

2254
01:53:23,970 --> 01:53:21,790
11:00 and I I'm not gonna pass this up

2255
01:53:25,320 --> 01:53:23,980
so she's sitting there and it happens

2256
01:53:27,150 --> 01:53:25,330
and then she looks at me sort of

2257
01:53:29,280 --> 01:53:27,160
wide-eyed and she says actually I'm not

2258
01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:29,290
ready for this she leaves and goes

2259
01:53:36,720 --> 01:53:34,090
downstairs and reads a book but this man

2260
01:53:38,240 --> 01:53:36,730
at the end the last night we had lost

2261
01:53:42,820 --> 01:53:38,250
the cabin we were dead

2262
01:53:45,410 --> 01:53:42,830
and moving to Texas in the morning

2263
01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:45,420
everything was lost this extraordinary

2264
01:53:51,530 --> 01:53:49,290
place that we had created it was a life

2265
01:53:55,250 --> 01:53:51,540
it was literally was between the worlds

2266
01:53:57,500 --> 01:53:55,260
we were losing it and I was saying to

2267
01:54:00,200 --> 01:53:57,510
them this is it you will never I will

2268
01:54:03,939 --> 01:54:00,210
never be in this room again this is the

2269
01:54:09,020 --> 01:54:03,949
last time we are together here and I

2270
01:54:11,060 --> 01:54:09,030
know I have never seen you as you really

2271
01:54:13,850 --> 01:54:11,070
are even though I had seen one Lumina in

2272
01:54:16,700 --> 01:54:13,860
a human form obviously that was not his

2273
01:54:20,600 --> 01:54:16,710
real form because they weren't walking

2274
01:54:23,689 --> 01:54:20,610
around in the house right so nothing

2275
01:54:25,820 --> 01:54:23,699
happened and I went to bed I had been

2276
01:54:27,650 --> 01:54:25,830
not been lying in bed for two minutes

2277
01:54:30,200 --> 01:54:27,660
when there were bright glow appeared in

2278
01:54:31,610 --> 01:54:30,210
the front yard and at first I thought

2279
01:54:33,500 --> 01:54:31,620
the house was on fire and I thought oh

2280
01:54:35,150 --> 01:54:33,510
my god the house is on fire then I

2281
01:54:36,620 --> 01:54:35,160
thought oh good if the house burns down

2282
01:54:40,340 --> 01:54:36,630
we'll get the insurance money and we

2283
01:54:43,450 --> 01:54:40,350
won't have to leave but then I rushed to

2284
01:54:48,709 --> 01:54:43,460
the front window and what happened was

2285
01:54:51,979 --> 01:54:48,719
this star came out of the meditation

2286
01:54:58,450 --> 01:54:51,989
room and hung over the front yard

2287
01:55:03,020 --> 01:54:58,460
it was bright beautiful pure white star

2288
01:55:05,479 --> 01:55:03,030
with rays coming out of it and the Rays

2289
01:55:08,420 --> 01:55:05,489
were like little lasers and they would

2290
01:55:12,189 --> 01:55:08,430
you could feel them penetrating your

2291
01:55:15,530 --> 01:55:12,199
skin when they touched you and there was

2292
01:55:20,300 --> 01:55:15,540
there was this sense of this person's

2293
01:55:24,740 --> 01:55:20,310
life it was unbelievably intimate and

2294
01:55:28,910 --> 01:55:24,750
beautiful and intense and I realized

2295
01:55:34,330 --> 01:55:28,920
this is what they really look like and

2296
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:34,340
then it hit me this is a human being

2297
01:55:44,990 --> 01:55:40,890
this is where we are trying to go it was

2298
01:55:49,700 --> 01:55:45,000
a credible experience well and and if if

2299
01:55:53,270 --> 01:55:49,710
somebody tried to share that same

2300
01:55:56,639 --> 01:55:53,280
experience 2,000 years of

2301
01:56:00,359 --> 01:55:56,649
the only way that others would be able

2302
01:56:03,000 --> 01:56:00,369
to relate or understand would have to be

2303
01:56:05,580 --> 01:56:03,010
a religious explanation well it would

2304
01:56:07,229 --> 01:56:05,590
have to be and that's how Paul saw it I

2305
01:56:08,879 --> 01:56:07,239
mean it obviously something similar

2306
01:56:13,830 --> 01:56:08,889
happened to him on the road to Damascus

2307
01:56:17,669 --> 01:56:13,840
right only I saw it basically as another

2308
01:56:23,909 --> 01:56:17,679
human being on the journey right on the

2309
01:56:26,330 --> 01:56:23,919
way and Paul saw it as his the hit the

2310
01:56:31,799 --> 01:56:26,340
person he had oppressed Jesus of

2311
01:56:35,459 --> 01:56:31,809
Nazareth transmuted into what he thought

2312
01:56:38,759 --> 01:56:35,469
of as a God but what we got to realize

2313
01:56:42,330 --> 01:56:38,769
and and and have to face is that this

2314
01:56:45,419 --> 01:56:42,340
whole business of making Jesus distant

2315
01:56:48,330 --> 01:56:45,429
from us and somebody far away and on the

2316
01:56:51,839 --> 01:56:48,340
on high heaven it's not the way to go

2317
01:56:54,989 --> 01:56:51,849
the way to go is to realize and to face

2318
01:56:58,500 --> 01:56:54,999
the fact that you have this journey to

2319
01:57:02,969 --> 01:56:58,510
take in your life this is all of our

2320
01:57:08,429 --> 01:57:02,979
journey everyone and he was he said it

2321
01:57:13,080 --> 01:57:08,439
himself I am the son of man not God he

2322
01:57:18,089 --> 01:57:13,090
said man how do you what's your best

2323
01:57:19,709 --> 01:57:18,099
advice to somebody that would have gone

2324
01:57:21,929 --> 01:57:19,719
through the same experience you know the

2325
01:57:26,819 --> 01:57:21,939
next day they're sitting with their

2326
01:57:28,889 --> 01:57:26,829
significant other and there needs to be

2327
01:57:32,189 --> 01:57:28,899
a conversation there and one of the I

2328
01:57:34,379 --> 01:57:32,199
mean I'm not even sure how the

2329
01:57:37,909 --> 01:57:34,389
conversation starts does it start with

2330
01:57:41,369 --> 01:57:37,919
you know I think I'm going crazy because

2331
01:57:45,389 --> 01:57:41,379
right right right

2332
01:57:49,290 --> 01:57:45,399
what what's the advice that - my advice

2333
01:57:51,359 --> 01:57:49,300
is to be darn careful because marriages

2334
01:57:54,750 --> 01:57:51,369
break up over this stuff sure families

2335
01:57:57,029 --> 01:57:54,760
and people lose their jobs I'm you know

2336
01:57:59,399 --> 01:57:57,039
you just I can't say that you know you

2337
01:58:01,439 --> 01:57:59,409
need to sit down and say something

2338
01:58:03,449 --> 01:58:01,449
really weird but fairly cool happened to

2339
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:03,459
me last night I was abducted by aliens

2340
01:58:08,279 --> 01:58:06,010
and your husband or wife is going to say

2341
01:58:11,509 --> 01:58:08,289
well okay I'm going to take the children

2342
01:58:14,850 --> 01:58:11,519
home to my mother now or my father and

2343
01:58:17,580 --> 01:58:14,860
then we will be fully armed if you try

2344
01:58:19,770 --> 01:58:17,590
to come get them right thing can happen

2345
01:58:21,870 --> 01:58:19,780
right right my wife had a very different

2346
01:58:25,410 --> 01:58:21,880
take on this because i delayed telling

2347
01:58:28,109 --> 01:58:25,420
her for a long time and I told a friend

2348
01:58:30,109 --> 01:58:28,119
of mine a friend of ours an old friend

2349
01:58:32,069 --> 01:58:30,119
Timothy Greenfield Saunders a

2350
01:58:35,009 --> 01:58:32,079
photographer who lived in New York and

2351
01:58:37,200 --> 01:58:35,019
we were we were close friends I told him

2352
01:58:40,470 --> 01:58:37,210
and I said Timothy I don't know how to

2353
01:58:46,290 --> 01:58:40,480
tell in this because I had tried to push

2354
01:58:50,279 --> 01:58:46,300
an away in the in January and into

2355
01:58:52,020 --> 01:58:50,289
February when I was thinking that you

2356
01:58:56,609 --> 01:58:52,030
know I was going crazy and I was afraid

2357
01:58:59,549 --> 01:58:56,619
that if she I knew that she would never

2358
01:59:01,189 --> 01:58:59,559
leave me that if I ended up in a mental

2359
01:59:06,330 --> 01:59:01,199
institution

2360
01:59:08,459 --> 01:59:06,340
she would be by my side no matter what

2361
01:59:10,890 --> 01:59:08,469
and I thought to myself she doesn't

2362
01:59:14,520 --> 01:59:10,900
deserve that she would have to struggle

2363
01:59:15,720 --> 01:59:14,530
she'd have to work in jobs and that you

2364
01:59:17,790 --> 01:59:15,730
know how she was trying to raise a child

2365
01:59:20,490 --> 01:59:17,800
and a lot of people do that but they

2366
01:59:22,350 --> 01:59:20,500
don't do it necessarily alone and you

2367
01:59:24,720 --> 01:59:22,360
know I just didn't I thought she was a

2368
01:59:26,850 --> 01:59:24,730
beautiful young woman she could find a

2369
01:59:30,089 --> 01:59:26,860
real husband who could who could care

2370
01:59:32,370 --> 01:59:30,099
for her and her son and so I was trying

2371
01:59:35,189 --> 01:59:32,380
to push her away then I realized that

2372
01:59:36,899 --> 01:59:35,199
damn it there's no other explanation it

2373
01:59:37,850 --> 01:59:36,909
really was real it happened I'm not

2374
01:59:43,950 --> 01:59:37,860
crazy

2375
01:59:47,009 --> 01:59:43,960
so I told Timothy this and he said well

2376
01:59:49,470 --> 01:59:47,019
you know oddly enough my in-laws saw

2377
01:59:50,759 --> 01:59:49,480
those creatures in their backyard the

2378
01:59:52,919 --> 01:59:50,769
other day while they were having

2379
01:59:54,589 --> 01:59:52,929
breakfast they were walking these things

2380
01:59:57,839 --> 01:59:54,599
were walking we wondered what they were

2381
02:00:00,209 --> 01:59:57,849
he's very calm about it you know and I

2382
02:00:02,069 --> 02:00:00,219
said well that's great because now I can

2383
02:00:03,209 --> 02:00:02,079
tell Anne that and she could have

2384
02:00:07,350 --> 02:00:03,219
certainly asked for some kind of

2385
02:00:08,879 --> 02:00:07,360
evidence so I sat and down she later

2386
02:00:13,500 --> 02:00:08,889
said I was afraid you were gonna ask for

2387
02:00:15,779 --> 02:00:13,510
a divorce and I said to her honey I have

2388
02:00:18,770 --> 02:00:15,789
to tell you something she says yes I

2389
02:00:25,310 --> 02:00:20,510
I think I was taken aboard a flying

2390
02:00:30,140 --> 02:00:25,320
saucer by little men she looks at me I

2391
02:00:36,050 --> 02:00:30,150
look back at her and she says oh thank

2392
02:00:38,060 --> 02:00:36,060
god I thought you were going crazy we

2393
02:00:40,340 --> 02:00:38,070
both burst out laughing of course and

2394
02:00:44,600 --> 02:00:40,350
then she realized I actually was not

2395
02:00:49,670 --> 02:00:44,610
joking and there was like a beat and

2396
02:00:52,910 --> 02:00:49,680
then she just was into it she took over

2397
02:00:55,900 --> 02:00:52,920
she was the one who did all of our front

2398
02:01:00,050 --> 02:00:55,910
line thinking about it from then on she

2399
02:01:03,200 --> 02:01:00,060
led this experience she led our contact

2400
02:01:10,730 --> 02:01:03,210
experience and communion was built on

2401
02:01:14,060 --> 02:01:10,740
her intelligence and her wisdom yeah her

2402
02:01:15,410 --> 02:01:14,070
other response which probably could have

2403
02:01:18,080 --> 02:01:15,420
been something oh I thought you were

2404
02:01:23,690 --> 02:01:18,090
gonna tell me you're embezzling a

2405
02:01:27,320 --> 02:01:23,700
corporation that's it it's just an

2406
02:01:29,330 --> 02:01:27,330
abduction oh oh my god I thought you

2407
02:01:32,300 --> 02:01:29,340
were going crazy yeah it was so

2408
02:01:33,890 --> 02:01:32,310
hilarious and we were we really laughed

2409
02:01:37,940 --> 02:01:33,900
about it we laughed about it for years

2410
02:01:40,070 --> 02:01:37,950
but sigh let's squeeze in one last phone

2411
02:01:43,850 --> 02:01:40,080
call hi you're live on fade to black

2412
02:01:46,760 --> 02:01:43,860
who's calling Scott Jimmy hey Scott say

2413
02:01:51,410 --> 02:01:46,770
hi to Whitley Willie you're like a

2414
02:01:53,840 --> 02:01:51,420
legend here at my store thank you I was

2415
02:01:56,030 --> 02:01:53,850
doing - a while back to a bookstore and

2416
02:01:59,240 --> 02:01:56,040
I just happened to turn my head and I

2417
02:02:00,620 --> 02:01:59,250
saw a book it said the key and I was

2418
02:02:02,750 --> 02:02:00,630
looking at it go you know what I picked

2419
02:02:05,270 --> 02:02:02,760
it up started reading it purchased the

2420
02:02:08,960 --> 02:02:05,280
book came home and I read it and about a

2421
02:02:11,540 --> 02:02:08,970
day and a half I've read so quick there

2422
02:02:14,870 --> 02:02:11,550
was a scene in there that brought me to

2423
02:02:18,580 --> 02:02:14,880
my knees it's still to this day I wrote

2424
02:02:20,600 --> 02:02:18,590
this on my wall here at my store and

2425
02:02:24,020 --> 02:02:20,610
everybody that comes in here and they

2426
02:02:27,890 --> 02:02:24,030
asked me who wrote that and I go it's a

2427
02:02:30,620 --> 02:02:27,900
secret it's it's a master of the key but

2428
02:02:32,100 --> 02:02:30,630
it was when you die you see yourself

2429
02:02:33,930 --> 02:02:32,110
truly better

2430
02:02:36,149 --> 02:02:33,940
see the truth now when change is

2431
02:02:38,669 --> 02:02:36,159
possible than to find out later that you

2432
02:02:43,200 --> 02:02:38,679
must remain strapped to the wheel of

2433
02:02:45,000 --> 02:02:43,210
life and always like what then my wife

2434
02:02:47,070 --> 02:02:45,010
goes who wrote that and then she goes

2435
02:02:49,169 --> 02:02:47,080
ken your ears here now and your eyes

2436
02:02:51,350 --> 02:02:49,179
feet now look at my wife go where did

2437
02:02:54,030 --> 02:02:51,360
you come from but this isn't

2438
02:02:56,129 --> 02:02:54,040
unbelievable Shane Whitley I swear it's

2439
02:02:57,570 --> 02:02:56,139
on my store and I've got people that

2440
02:03:00,240 --> 02:02:57,580
come in here and they look at that and

2441
02:03:04,470 --> 02:03:00,250
they just can't believe that scene it's

2442
02:03:07,950 --> 02:03:04,480
just so true to the heart well I think

2443
02:03:09,479 --> 02:03:07,960
it is and it was that conversation with

2444
02:03:11,939 --> 02:03:09,489
him was one of the luckiest things that

2445
02:03:13,800 --> 02:03:11,949
ever happened in my life and I still

2446
02:03:18,240 --> 02:03:13,810
don't know who the heck he was you know

2447
02:03:22,020 --> 02:03:18,250
the key the key should be a movie you

2448
02:03:24,660 --> 02:03:22,030
know just to figure out how to do that a

2449
02:03:27,120 --> 02:03:24,670
couple times and it's harder than you

2450
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:27,130
would think because it's um it's

2451
02:03:30,570 --> 02:03:28,810
basically sort of like that old movie

2452
02:03:33,540 --> 02:03:30,580
about my dinner with Andre it's it's a

2453
02:03:36,840 --> 02:03:33,550
conversation mm-hmm and you you know a

2454
02:03:38,609 --> 02:03:36,850
conversation is not a movie you know

2455
02:03:42,120 --> 02:03:38,619
people say to me sometimes they say oh

2456
02:03:45,629 --> 02:03:42,130
well he wrote the key he's the master of

2457
02:03:49,020 --> 02:03:45,639
the key and and I think to myself you

2458
02:03:53,550 --> 02:03:49,030
know have they read it because they're

2459
02:03:57,419 --> 02:03:53,560
sure I am NOT an ascended master I don't

2460
02:04:03,540 --> 02:03:57,429
think it or if I am I did not notice

2461
02:04:06,229 --> 02:04:03,550
this and I those words in that book many

2462
02:04:13,770 --> 02:04:06,239
of them are words of truly breathtaking

2463
02:04:16,729 --> 02:04:13,780
mastery so yeah I wrote it it is guy

2464
02:04:19,229 --> 02:04:16,739
human was a human form with this guy who

2465
02:04:23,459 --> 02:04:19,239
thought he was a room service waiter at

2466
02:04:26,760 --> 02:04:23,469
first we yeah it you know it was I was

2467
02:04:33,090 --> 02:04:26,770
asleep and the doorbell rang in the room

2468
02:04:35,609 --> 02:04:33,100
and I woke up and I saw my during things

2469
02:04:38,430 --> 02:04:35,619
on the desk so I figured it was room

2470
02:04:41,510 --> 02:04:38,440
service and I opened the door and this

2471
02:04:46,029 --> 02:04:41,520
man kept just walked right into the room

2472
02:04:49,509 --> 02:04:46,039
wearing a gray turtleneck and dark

2473
02:04:51,549 --> 02:04:49,519
charcoal grace louder trousers and he

2474
02:04:53,379 --> 02:04:51,559
walks over to the window turns around

2475
02:04:55,959 --> 02:04:53,389
and starts talking and I'm thinking oh

2476
02:04:59,259 --> 02:04:55,969
my god it's not a room service waiter

2477
02:05:01,299 --> 02:04:59,269
it's somebody else who has come into my

2478
02:05:03,339 --> 02:05:01,309
room in the middle of the night this

2479
02:05:06,689 --> 02:05:03,349
cannot be good it this has to be very

2480
02:05:09,100 --> 02:05:06,699
bad news and then he starts talking and

2481
02:05:14,439 --> 02:05:09,110
it turned into this extraordinary

2482
02:05:16,629 --> 02:05:14,449
conversation and I I I told Annie about

2483
02:05:18,640 --> 02:05:16,639
it the next morning I called her and I

2484
02:05:24,189 --> 02:05:18,650
said don't let me decide it never

2485
02:05:28,180 --> 02:05:24,199
happened because he did something but at

2486
02:05:33,759 --> 02:05:28,190
the end he asked me to drink this glass

2487
02:05:39,160 --> 02:05:33,769
of this pale white liquid now here's the

2488
02:05:42,040 --> 02:05:39,170
weirdest thing I did that why would

2489
02:05:45,910 --> 02:05:42,050
anyone in the right mind do that not me

2490
02:05:48,959 --> 02:05:45,920
but no I mean I did not no of course not

2491
02:05:52,029 --> 02:05:48,969
and I wouldn't either except under the

2492
02:05:54,370 --> 02:05:52,039
circumstances I was not entirely my own

2493
02:05:57,310 --> 02:05:54,380
person I was

2494
02:05:59,919 --> 02:05:57,320
he would never forced me to drink it but

2495
02:06:04,180 --> 02:05:59,929
he knew that if he asked me in a certain

2496
02:06:09,850 --> 02:06:04,190
way I would and I did and it was very

2497
02:06:11,709 --> 02:06:09,860
bitter and I remembered I went

2498
02:06:13,089 --> 02:06:11,719
immediately to sleep in the morning I

2499
02:06:15,549 --> 02:06:13,099
woke up the first thing I did was

2500
02:06:17,259 --> 02:06:15,559
remember that I rushed into the bathroom

2501
02:06:21,399 --> 02:06:17,269
the glass was pristine it had been

2502
02:06:22,060 --> 02:06:21,409
carefully washed and of course yeah

2503
02:06:24,700 --> 02:06:22,070
right

2504
02:06:27,879 --> 02:06:24,710
but here's the thing I figured out what

2505
02:06:30,729 --> 02:06:27,889
it was the ancient Greeks called it the

2506
02:06:31,419 --> 02:06:30,739
milk of Nepenthe the milk of the goddess

2507
02:06:36,750 --> 02:06:31,429
of sleep

2508
02:06:42,310 --> 02:06:36,760
it was opium Oh he had me drinking a

2509
02:06:44,229 --> 02:06:42,320
tincture of opium and and here's what's

2510
02:06:44,649 --> 02:06:44,239
so amazing is he wanted me to go to

2511
02:06:47,740 --> 02:06:44,659
sleep

2512
02:06:50,830 --> 02:06:47,750
but what he had was not a modern

2513
02:06:52,810 --> 02:06:50,840
sleeping drug of any kind or something

2514
02:06:53,560 --> 02:06:52,820
you know something something more

2515
02:06:57,850 --> 02:06:53,570
effective

2516
02:06:59,240 --> 02:06:57,860
he had this old-fashioned opium laudanum

2517
02:07:01,880 --> 02:06:59,250
it was called

2518
02:07:04,550 --> 02:07:01,890
something from the past what do you

2519
02:07:06,350 --> 02:07:04,560
suppose you want you to sleep because he

2520
02:07:08,000 --> 02:07:06,360
wanted to make a getaway that I would

2521
02:07:09,979 --> 02:07:08,010
not follow him and I would not be able

2522
02:07:11,240 --> 02:07:09,989
to know where he went or anything that's

2523
02:07:13,729 --> 02:07:11,250
exactly what I thought

2524
02:07:17,060 --> 02:07:13,739
that's exactly very interesting he had

2525
02:07:19,430 --> 02:07:17,070
no intention of me finding him I could

2526
02:07:23,180 --> 02:07:19,440
have asked for a driver's license a I've

2527
02:07:25,430 --> 02:07:23,190
kicked myself a thousand times over that

2528
02:07:26,660 --> 02:07:25,440
and and then when I realized for this

2529
02:07:28,850 --> 02:07:26,670
incredible thing it happened I started

2530
02:07:30,770 --> 02:07:28,860
calling everyone a I knew in Toronto and

2531
02:07:33,350 --> 02:07:30,780
asking them if they knew anything the

2532
02:07:34,939 --> 02:07:33,360
people the publisher and so forth nobody

2533
02:07:37,160 --> 02:07:34,949
had ever heard of a man like that have

2534
02:07:41,570 --> 02:07:37,170
you ever okay let me ask you I thought

2535
02:07:44,030 --> 02:07:41,580
about this so much do you think I mean

2536
02:07:47,770 --> 02:07:44,040
he's not even he wasn't even in Toronto

2537
02:07:52,310 --> 02:07:47,780
if that was a drive-by he could have

2538
02:07:54,770 --> 02:07:52,320
from the future right or or something

2539
02:07:57,770 --> 02:07:54,780
there's something else because of the

2540
02:08:00,530 --> 02:07:57,780
way that he was dressed he was trying to

2541
02:08:04,160 --> 02:08:00,540
be invisible in in my opinion he didn't

2542
02:08:05,979 --> 02:08:04,170
want to be noticed right and and I I'm

2543
02:08:10,040 --> 02:08:05,989
thinking that there's something else

2544
02:08:13,550 --> 02:08:10,050
here you know he's from the past or from

2545
02:08:15,620 --> 02:08:13,560
the future but that was a drive-by and

2546
02:08:17,390 --> 02:08:15,630
nobody in Toronto will say that she

2547
02:08:18,920 --> 02:08:17,400
thought it was me from yeah well I

2548
02:08:21,410 --> 02:08:18,930
thought that too but you would have

2549
02:08:22,729 --> 02:08:21,420
noticed that interesting yeah it is

2550
02:08:25,070 --> 02:08:22,739
interesting I didn't have that

2551
02:08:27,189 --> 02:08:25,080
impression right and never occurred to

2552
02:08:29,900 --> 02:08:27,199
me that he was anything except a very

2553
02:08:31,880 --> 02:08:29,910
unusual and interesting man I never

2554
02:08:34,100 --> 02:08:31,890
thought a lien or anything and this was

2555
02:08:36,740 --> 02:08:34,110
1998 and I'd had the visitors in my life

2556
02:08:39,800 --> 02:08:36,750
then for more than ten years mm-hmm

2557
02:08:43,040 --> 02:08:39,810
I never thought anything like that it

2558
02:08:45,350 --> 02:08:43,050
just was a very extraordinary man that

2559
02:08:47,150 --> 02:08:45,360
was my impression of it and that

2560
02:08:49,010 --> 02:08:47,160
correlation but if you look at that

2561
02:08:51,740 --> 02:08:49,020
trees when you die you see yourself

2562
02:08:53,630 --> 02:08:51,750
truly better to see the truth now when

2563
02:08:54,140 --> 02:08:53,640
change is possible than to find out

2564
02:08:55,760 --> 02:08:54,150
later

2565
02:08:58,070 --> 02:08:55,770
you must ringing strapped to the wheel

2566
02:09:00,410 --> 02:08:58,080
life that is such a fascinating

2567
02:09:02,330 --> 02:09:00,420
paragraph are saying that's incredible

2568
02:09:04,360 --> 02:09:02,340
yeah it's infected so many people's

2569
02:09:09,020 --> 02:09:04,370
lives here that walk through the store

2570
02:09:12,299 --> 02:09:09,030
because we can change now and but but

2571
02:09:14,790 --> 02:09:12,309
when it's over and done you can't

2572
02:09:16,829 --> 02:09:14,800
you can't repair the past and you know

2573
02:09:18,989 --> 02:09:16,839
there are a lot of us and I bet you it's

2574
02:09:23,129 --> 02:09:18,999
really all of us who have done things

2575
02:09:28,040 --> 02:09:23,139
that we regret and can't change in our

2576
02:09:30,779 --> 02:09:28,050
lives and you have to accept those in

2577
02:09:34,049 --> 02:09:30,789
yourself that's where humility comes in

2578
02:09:36,329 --> 02:09:34,059
you have to accept well I did this it

2579
02:09:39,329 --> 02:09:36,339
was wrong it hurt others or hurt

2580
02:09:43,109 --> 02:09:39,339
somebody and I can never undo that

2581
02:09:46,319 --> 02:09:43,119
damage but I have to accept that

2582
02:09:49,229 --> 02:09:46,329
weakness in my soul and just give it to

2583
02:09:52,799 --> 02:09:49,239
God and hope that I will there will be

2584
02:09:56,040 --> 02:09:52,809
mercy for me because if we ignored that

2585
02:09:58,799 --> 02:09:56,050
Ronnie don't ask for mercy now for those

2586
02:10:00,299 --> 02:09:58,809
things we don't we usually just don't

2587
02:10:03,449 --> 02:10:00,309
want to look at them because we can't

2588
02:10:05,129 --> 02:10:03,459
bear to think we can't change him we

2589
02:10:07,649 --> 02:10:05,139
have the courage to ask for mercy now

2590
02:10:10,649 --> 02:10:07,659
that's that's important and to change

2591
02:10:13,139 --> 02:10:10,659
the things we can and and after all that

2592
02:10:14,819 --> 02:10:13,149
most of us you know we may have some

2593
02:10:16,829 --> 02:10:14,829
things like that in our lives what most

2594
02:10:18,149 --> 02:10:16,839
of us live pretty good lives there was

2595
02:10:23,189 --> 02:10:18,159
one of the things I've learned about

2596
02:10:27,089 --> 02:10:23,199
this most people are not bad most people

2597
02:10:29,369 --> 02:10:27,099
are good the bad people would be getting

2598
02:10:34,709 --> 02:10:29,379
the news because they're so unusual

2599
02:10:36,329 --> 02:10:34,719
yeah like Scott here hey Scott Scott

2600
02:10:38,939 --> 02:10:36,339
enjoy the rest of your night man and

2601
02:10:40,379 --> 02:10:38,949
thank you for the phone call man great

2602
02:10:42,119 --> 02:10:40,389
book I would suggest anybody go out and

2603
02:10:43,709 --> 02:10:42,129
get that cake man that's a great book it

2604
02:10:46,250 --> 02:10:43,719
changed my life thank you Jenny

2605
02:10:49,020 --> 02:10:46,260
thank you Scott great phone call and

2606
02:10:51,270 --> 02:10:49,030
Whitley I do want to take the

2607
02:10:54,000 --> 02:10:51,280
opportunity here to say thank you for

2608
02:10:57,239 --> 02:10:54,010
hanging out with with this audience

2609
02:10:58,829 --> 02:10:57,249
which is which is all family and it

2610
02:11:02,089 --> 02:10:58,839
feels like family on your show it really

2611
02:11:04,589 --> 02:11:02,099
does yeah it it it is all of that and

2612
02:11:06,540 --> 02:11:04,599
I've got a bunch of other questions here

2613
02:11:09,700 --> 02:11:06,550
we don't have time for but so everybody

2614
02:11:12,130 --> 02:11:09,710
wrote in and emailed

2615
02:11:14,380 --> 02:11:12,140
thank you for those questions and I will

2616
02:11:16,330 --> 02:11:14,390
get them to Whitley at some point well I

2617
02:11:18,630 --> 02:11:16,340
want to say a couple of things before we

2618
02:11:21,160 --> 02:11:18,640
do go first of all this week's Dreamland

2619
02:11:25,930 --> 02:11:21,170
Josh Boone the director is going to

2620
02:11:28,510 --> 02:11:25,940
interview me about the book Oh about a

2621
02:11:30,880 --> 02:11:28,520
new world and josh is working on a TV

2622
02:11:36,070 --> 02:11:30,890
series about being developed that a

2623
02:11:38,290 --> 02:11:36,080
network about my life and so this is the

2624
02:11:39,700 --> 02:11:38,300
first time we've said anything publicly

2625
02:11:42,820 --> 02:11:39,710
about it he's been working on for about

2626
02:11:44,620 --> 02:11:42,830
a year and so that's gonna happen on

2627
02:11:46,450 --> 02:11:44,630
Dream Land and my websites unknown

2628
02:11:48,340 --> 02:11:46,460
country in my book is a new world it's

2629
02:11:51,190 --> 02:11:48,350
available on Amazon yeah you know and

2630
02:11:57,400 --> 02:11:51,200
thank you for that and everybody unknown

2631
02:12:02,230 --> 02:11:57,410
country is a library of years of

2632
02:12:04,180 --> 02:12:02,240
compiled of stuff from Whitley and let

2633
02:12:05,770 --> 02:12:04,190
me ask you that everybody because I've

2634
02:12:08,110 --> 02:12:05,780
spent so much time over at a known

2635
02:12:10,510 --> 02:12:08,120
country over the years and and listen to

2636
02:12:13,810 --> 02:12:10,520
Dreamland just for me I've got 30

2637
02:12:15,540 --> 02:12:13,820
seconds I wrote this down as a note to

2638
02:12:19,120 --> 02:12:15,550
myself that I wanted to get in tonight

2639
02:12:20,830 --> 02:12:19,130
who is because I've listened to so many

2640
02:12:23,950 --> 02:12:20,840
of your conversations and interviews

2641
02:12:27,310 --> 02:12:23,960
over the years who is your favorite

2642
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person to just sit and talk with who's

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number one when I ask you that question

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one person comes to mind who is it well

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in my case it's a hand no ow okay that

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was too easy

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okay who's number two number two to just

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sit and talk with gosh I don't know I

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love to talk to so many people I I never

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fought I hardly ever find someone I'm

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talking with I don't want to talk with

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unless they're being mean to me right

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because you're the way that you converse

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on Dreamland it is just so engaging and

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and I like you and I've thought to

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myself anytime Woodley's gotta have a

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favorite because you have a lot of

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guests that that you know I listen I

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might have a favorite but I'm sure not

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gonna tell you who my favorite guest to

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talk to is because then I'm I end up

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with just one guest that's not a bad

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thing

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I want no I love my guests I'm I'm

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talking to Artie Artie six filler Clark

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the Native American anthropologists

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tomorrow we're interviewing for a show

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that's going to be in a couple weeks

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about Native American experiences of the

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visitors and it's going to be I'm just

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so excited about doing that and I I do

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this every week you know to once or

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twice a week and it's it's wonderful

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I've been doing it for 21 years

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thank you so much Whitley thank you

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absolutely unknown country calm the

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links are over two meters radio and of

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course the book is the new one a new

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world

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Whitley Strieber Thank You Whitley now

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go meditate go meditate yeah I'll talk

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to you Whitley Strieber great

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conversation tonight and again unknown

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Church radio.com and I ran right up to

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it I've got a few seconds to get the

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credits in before I'm off the network

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